I wouldn't say it was diatribe. I found myself agreeing with many of his comments, and it's a shame that presenting things in a civil manner is thought of as being 'touchy feely'.<br><br>How the docs are written is an act of the community, ergo how someone reacts to the docs is also a reaction to the community.<br>
<br>While a competitive / combative style of communication gives some people a real buzz, and is something they enjoy, for others it is different. This is, basically, why most official documentation tends to adopt a somewhat dry and squeaky-clean tone. It's not because there's anyone who thinks it's particularly wonderful, but because it's just not worth pissing people off. <br>
<br>Consider his quote from PEP-8:<br><br><i>The second objection is typically cast as: "I am really telling a
sequence to join its members together with a string constant". Sadly,
you aren't. <br><br></i>Well, I can see how that would piss someone off. So why do it? For the kicks? For the buzz that can come from standing up for the rightness of things? I just don't see any point. It really doesn't matter that much whether the call is delimiter.join(list) or list.join(delimiter). So I don't think anyone needs to be told that it's sad how they can't see the advantages in one particular method.<i><br>
<br></i>Most people, let's face it, have had their share of being crapped on already in life. Why add to it?<i><br></i><br>-Tennessee<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, May 19, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Jeff Hinrichs - DM&T <<a href="mailto:jeffh@dundeemt.com">jeffh@dundeemt.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">After reading his diatribe, he is not referring to how he is treated<br>
by the community , but rather his commentary is about the docs. Maybe<br>
the truth could be pointed out out in a more touchy-feely manner but<br>
it doesn't change the fact of what join does.<br>
<br>
He then goes on to single out an unnamed irc member about his comment<br>
on line length. (PEP8) (And the writer was just lurking, not<br>
participating) As a side note, when I first started with Python I<br>
couldn't see why tabs were inferior to spaces -- although it didn't<br>
take long for me to amend my ways, wisdom is always gained at a<br>
price.<g> Python doesn't coerce you very much and most times gives<br>
you plenty of rope to trip yourself.<br>
<br>
Maybe I am completely off base, but it appears as if the writer is<br>
looking for a way to justify his decision to not like Python. His<br>
remark about "fundamentalist religious methods of conversion" is sheer<br>
hyperbole. He should have led off with that, instead I had to read to<br>
the end to confirm what I suspected.<br>
<br>
-Jeff<br>
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On Sun, May 18, 2008 at 3:58 PM, Brad Allen <<a href="mailto:bradallen137@gmail.com">bradallen137@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> Here is a blog from a developer exploring Python but getting frustrated with<br>
> the community attitude, which I find surprising:<br>
><br>
> <a href="http://developmentadventures.blogspot.com/2008/05/culture-clash-with-python.html" target="_blank">http://developmentadventures.blogspot.com/2008/05/culture-clash-with-python.html</a><br>
><br>
> Excerpt:<br>
><br>
> There is one aspect though that just really clashes with me; the community<br>
> is VERY quick to point out how you're wrong. It doesn't matter about what,<br>
> it's just you're wrong. I've found that most of the time, I am, but there's<br>
> this absoluteist tone that I sense that makes me completely understand why<br>
> the community has the "Pythonista" term applied.<br>
><br>
><br>
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