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PyGame would be a better choice than wxPython for that.<br>
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check this out:<br>
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I would like to make one of the Dark Mark were the snake is waving left
to right and back.<br>
what would I need to do this, pygame?<br>
Brian<br>
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1. Wither IronPort? (Aahz)<br>
2. Re: Wither IronPort? (Shannon -jj Behrens)<br>
3. Re: Wither IronPort? (Carl J. Van Arsdall)<br>
4. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Mike Cheponis)<br>
5. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (steve hindle)<br>
6. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)<br>
7. Re: Wither IronPort? (Dennis Reinhardt)<br>
8. Re: 2006 Meeting Schedule (Dennis Reinhardt)<br>
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Message: 1<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:28:02 -0700<br>
From: Aahz <aahz @pythoncraft.com=""><br>
Subject: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?<br>
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On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:<br>
><br>
> I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
defense <br>
> of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
effort. <br>
<br>
Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort needs to<br>
be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my<br>
mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this close
to just<br>
leaving BayPIGgies.<br>
<br>
I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing that<br>
needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more people), and<br>
I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a location<br>
despite never going there.<br>
-- <br>
Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/<br>
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Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are, by<br>
definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan<br>
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Message: 2<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 16:45:25 -0700<br>
From: "Shannon -jj Behrens" <jjinux @gmail.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?<br>
To: Aahz <aahz @pythoncraft.com=""><br>
Cc: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if<br>
other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most<br>
anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex<br>
who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to<br>
me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.<br>
<br>
Best Regards,<br>
-jj<br>
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On 7/26/06, Aahz <aahz @pythoncraft.com=""> wrote:<br>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up in
defense<br>
> > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth the
effort.<br>
><br>
> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
needs to<br>
> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste in my<br>
> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm >< this
close to just<br>
> leaving BayPIGgies.<br>
><br>
> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is nothing
that<br>
> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
people), and<br>
> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
location<br>
> despite never going there.<br>
> --<br>
> Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/<br>
><br>
> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first place.<br>
> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you are,
by<br>
> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan<br>
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Message: 3<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:01:47 -0700<br>
From: "Carl J. Van Arsdall" <cvanarsdall @mvista.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?<br>
To: Shannon -jj Behrens <jjinux @gmail.com=""><br>
Cc: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I definitely
<br>
don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things have <br>
come out of this, one is that people would like more google meetings, <br>
the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing. <br>
<br>
Does that sound about right?<br>
<br>
Shannon -jj Behrens wrote:<br>
> I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if<br>
> other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most<br>
> anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex<br>
> who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to<br>
> me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.<br>
><br>
> Best Regards,<br>
> -jj<br>
><br>
> On 7/26/06, Aahz <aahz @pythoncraft.com=""> wrote:<br>
> <br>
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:<br>
>> <br>
>>> I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak up
in defense<br>
>>> of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth
the effort.<br>
>>> <br>
>> Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why IronPort
needs to<br>
>> be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste
in my<br>
>> mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm ><
this close to just<br>
>> leaving BayPIGgies.<br>
>><br>
>> I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is
nothing that<br>
>> needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
people), and<br>
>> I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
location<br>
>> despite never going there.<br>
>> --<br>
>> Aahz (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*>
http://www.pythoncraft.com/<br>
>><br>
>> "Debugging is twice as hard as writing the code in the first
place.<br>
>> Therefore, if you write the code as cleverly as possible, you
are, by<br>
>> definition, not smart enough to debug it." --Brian W. Kernighan<br>
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Message: 4<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:09:15 -0700 (PDT)<br>
From: Mike Cheponis <mac @wireless.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule<br>
To: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, steve hindle wrote:<br>
<br>
> On 7/26/06, Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR @dair.com=""> wrote:<br>
>><br>
>> unfocused meetings. I am not interested in organizing "let's
see who shows<br>
>> up and shoot from the hip once people arrive" meetings (or
attending, for<br>
>> that matter).<br>
>><br>
> Understandable. However, are the people that attend the IronPort<br>
> meetings willing to book their own speakers. For that matter, are<br>
> they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps they
are<br>
> more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random access' ?)<br>
<br>
I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There is
_never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We have
pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant to each of
us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since several NetBSD
developers show up, it's a great place to have questions answered, or
to have other smart folks critique an idea or to have them suggest some
ways of solving a problem.<br>
<br>
<br>
>> speakers. I would rather concentrate on Google. There is an
opening for<br>
>> an IronPort planning coordinator.<br>
>><br>
> Fair enough - if there is interest, someone that attends the
IronPort<br>
> meetings should step up :-)<br>
><br>
>> meetings. Any disagreement is in cutting back on IronPort
meetings. Fair<br>
>> summary?<br>
><br>
> Perfect summary, as far as I'm concerned :-)<br>
<br>
Well, I suggested 12+12...<br>
<br>
As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a
reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be
interesting, program or not.<br>
<br>
-Mike<br>
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Message: 5<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:36:46 -0700<br>
From: "steve hindle" <mech422 @gmail.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule<br>
To: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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On 7/26/06, Mike Cheponis <mac @wireless.com=""> wrote:<br>
><br>
> I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings. There is
_never_ an agenda! That would be far too organized for us. We have
pizza and chat about some aspect of NetBSD that is relevant to each of
us, as we wish. It's pure "random access". Since several NetBSD
developers show up, it's a great place to have questions answered, or
to have other smart folks critique an idea or to have them suggest some
ways of solving a problem.<br>
><br>
Sounds like fun! It's kind of funny - but once a meeting topic has<br>
been posted, 50% of the fun goes out of the presentation for me.<br>
Either its something that really gets me interested, and I can't wait<br>
till the meeting to start playing with it, reading up on it, etc. Or<br>
its a topic that holds no interest for me. Either way, its like a kid<br>
that opens his xmas presents early :-P<br>
<br>
However, I consistently get lots of cool ideas from just chatting with<br>
other geeks. Hearing what they're playing with, what they like/don't<br>
like, etc. Generally stuff I never would have thought of/investigated<br>
... All sorts of wierd and wonderful ideas just sort of bubble out.<br>
<br>
<br>
><br>
> As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a
reason to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be
interesting, program or not.<br>
><br>
Yep - I really think its the people that make the meetings. And we<br>
have a nice wide variety of people to talk with/learn from in this<br>
group....<br>
<br>
Steve<br>
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Message: 6<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:24:36 -0700<br>
From: Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR @dair.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?<br>
To: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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At 05:01 PM 7/26/2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:<br>
>Maybe the vocalness of the list users was throwing me off. I
definitely<br>
>don't think its worth leaving the group over. I think two things
have<br>
>come out of this, one is that people would like more google
meetings,<br>
>the other is that IronPort meetings need some help staffing.<br>
><br>
>Does that sound about right?<br>
<br>
Yes, with the addition of an added item: we need a schedule where the
two <br>
sites are not in contention with each other. I think this is best done
by <br>
moving the night of IronPort so it is not 2nd Thursday. This is not, <br>
however, the only solution.<br>
<br>
I believe the decision makers to decide IronPort future schedule are
the <br>
people who attend the IronPort meetings or would attend if held on a <br>
different night.<br>
<br>
Regards, Dennis<br>
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Message: 7<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:40:20 -0700<br>
From: Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR @dair.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Wither IronPort?<br>
To: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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<br>
The lock-step alternating locations plan is not working for us. In the <br>
lock-step plan, any increase at Google, of necessity, is a diminishment
at <br>
IronPort. We need to get out of lock-step so that each site can find
its <br>
natural schedule.<br>
<br>
pro(google) != anti(IronPort)<br>
<br>
I suggest the natural schedule at Google is 12X/year. The present
schedule <br>
for IronPort is 6X/year. If we do nothing else, both meetings are on
the <br>
2nd Thursday. I submit the most reasonable way to proceed is schedule
15 <br>
minutes at next IronPort meeting for those attending at IronPort to
decide <br>
what the ongoing IronPort schedule is. A future Google meeting can set
the <br>
ongoing schedule at Google, likely for 2007 and beyond.<br>
<br>
Regards, Dennis<br>
<br>
<br>
>I haven't spoken up to defend IronPort because I was wondering if<br>
>other people were going to do so. It definitely seems that the most<br>
>anti-IronPort people are simply very vocal. It's strange that Alex<br>
>who *works* at Google wasn't nearly as biased. It doesn't matter to<br>
>me; I'm happy to be free of additional responsibilities.<br>
><br>
>Best Regards,<br>
>-jj<br>
><br>
>On 7/26/06, Aahz <aahz @pythoncraft.com=""> wrote:<br>
> > On Wed, Jul 26, 2006, Carl J. Van Arsdall wrote:<br>
> > ><br>
> > > I honestly haven't seen too many people actually speak
up in defense<br>
> > > of Iron Port yet, so I'm starting to wonder if its worth
the effort.<br>
> ><br>
> > Maybe it's not worth the effort. What I wonder is why
IronPort needs to<br>
> > be constantly defended. The whole thing has left a bad taste
in my<br>
> > mouth, I'm sick and tired, and quite frankly, I'm ><
this close to just<br>
> > leaving BayPIGgies.<br>
> ><br>
> > I'll just note one more time that IronPort attendance is
nothing that<br>
> > needs defending (IIRC, it consistently gets fifteen or more
people), and<br>
> > I'm certainly not the only person who supports IronPort as a
location<br>
> > despite never going there.<br>
> > --<br>
> > Aahz <br>
> (aahz@pythoncraft.com) <*> http://www.pythoncraft.com/<br>
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Message: 8<br>
Date: Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:39:27 -0700<br>
From: Dennis Reinhardt <DennisR @dair.com=""><br>
Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] 2006 Meeting Schedule<br>
To: baypiggies@python.org<br>
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At 05:09 PM 7/26/2006, Mike Cheponis wrote:<br>
<br>
>SH> For that matter, are<br>
> > they really concerned if there is a speaker or not (Perhaps
they are<br>
> > more interested in the 'social' aspects like the 'random
access' ?)<br>
><br>
>MC>I regularly attend the South Bay NetBSD monthly meetings.<br>
>There is _never_ an agenda! ... It's pure "random access".<br>
<br>
I have seen multiple models work. IMO, video taping and broadcasting <br>
supports a speaker model. We are not having difficulty filling out a
solid <br>
speaker schedule at Google and are having difficulty at <br>
IronPort. Fine. So, let's adapt.<br>
<br>
>Well, I suggested 12+12...<br>
>As I see it, the meeting topics are a "draw" - they give people a
reason <br>
>to attend. But once a bunch of pythonistas gather, it's gonna be <br>
>interesting, program or not.<br>
<br>
Having meetings at two locations with quite different characters sounds
<br>
great. It would be nice if they were held on different nights, but not
at <br>
all mandatory. Many conferences have 2 or more tracks, where the
attendee <br>
must chose one session to attend and attending both is not physically
possible.<br>
<br>
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