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<div dir="ltr">Guys,<div><br></div><div>Contrary to these comments, the BayPIGgies Meetup *is* very much associated</div><div>with <span style="font-size: 12pt;">BayPIGgies. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">300 of us had been happily using it for event notification, calendaring,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">RSVP and ridesharing, since ~2010.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">When Suresh took over that Meetup, he took over the Meetup</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> URL</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span><a href="http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/" target="_blank" wrc_done="true" style="font-size: 12pt;">http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/</a> (which<span style="font-size: 12pt;"> will generate lots of confusion),</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and also took over the member-list, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">90% of whom </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">have dropped off since.</span></div><div><br></div><div>I believe we totally have the right to take back the <span style="font-size: 12pt;">BayPIGgies Meetup.</span></div><div>As I suggested, we simply need the previous owner to identify themselves, show</div><div>Meetup the receipts, and state that it's our Meetup, and have an orderly discussion</div><div>about venue and dues.</div><div>I believe that person was David A, I don't have his contact and I don't have the receipts. </div><div>I privately tried to contact David A, Grace Law and Tony in the last 5 days about this.</div><div>I also spoke to David A about it on several occasions in 2015, as far back as 3/2015.</div><div>I don't have his phone, email or last name - who does?</div><div><br></div><div>I suggest we ask Meetup to request Suresh to return the $600 member dues he</div><div>solicited <span style="font-size: 12pt;">by advertising it as "</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">BayPIGgies Meetup", minus anything he spent</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">on Meetup registration and HackerDojo room fees, although we had a free location</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">at LinkedIn anyway.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Suresh is totally free to establish a new for-profit Meetup which does not have</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">the URL </span><a href="http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;" wrc_done="true">http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/</a><span class="wrc_icon wrc13" rating="{"icon":"icn_extensiontop_green.png","rating":1,"weight":3,"flags":{"shopping":true,"social":null,"news":null,"it":null,"corporate":null,"pornography":null,"violence":null,"gambling":null,"drugs":null,"illegal":null}}"></span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">If there is actually a real problem with BayPIGgies losing LinkedIn as a venue,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and needing a new venue, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">this is the first most of us have heard of it, and</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I'm happy to help find one (I previously spoke in 2015 with both LinkedIn Data Science,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and H2O, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">about venues). </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">In any case, HackerDojo will most likely cease to exist at Ellis St in 5/2015.</span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tony's email was totally incorrect and offensive, I had multiple private conversations</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">with David A throughout</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> 2015 about whether he wanted a new organizer, and I never</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">heard from him. I had a 4-hour conversation with David back around March 2015.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><div>As to contacting Meetup if this is an unapproved organizer change, it's quite standard:</div><div><a href="http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/" target="_blank" wrc_done="true">http://www.discussmeetup.com/forum/general-questions-how-tos-tips-tricks/lost-my-meetup-group-due-to-an-expired-credit-card/</a></div></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tony: as to what I've done for BayPIGgies:</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- I helped source corporate sponsorship for the 12/2015 SFPython Holiday Party, which</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> Grace </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Law </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">can confirm. I spent quite some time on that. </span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- I did both previously speak at BayPIGgies and organize other </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">past speakers </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">[1].</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- In 4/2013 I sourced a large corporate venue (CloudCamp's premises)</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> for post-PyCon</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">talk watching [2], totally free for 6+ hours, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">which was a </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">BayPIGgies event </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Glen and I</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">planned, but fell through. </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I tried to </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">redo that for BayPIGgies in 2014, but CloudCamp had moved premises.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- Since 2014</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">, I have been volunteering with the committee of SF Bay ACM,</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">for their </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Data Science Camp unconference, </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and helped run and source speakers for</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Data Science Camp 2014 and 2015 [3] </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">and am again helping organize Data Science Camp 2016.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I am also organizing</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> a seminar on </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Spark with Scala through ACM, probably March-April [4].</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- Also John Park and I led a couple of Kaggle Together data science classes at HackerDojo in 2014 [5]</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">- Glen, Grace and the other organizations mentioned above can confirm that I did these things.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Noone's thanked me for it.</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Tony, you owe me a major apology for that email you sent. I even phoned both you and</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Grace Law in the last couple </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">days to try to figure out what was going on with</span></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">BayPIGgies; </span><span style="font-size: 12pt;">I didn't even get a response from you to my voicemail.</span><span style="font-size: 12pt;"> </span></div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">[1] </span><a href="https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;">https://mail.python.org/pipermail/baypiggies/2009-January/004253.html</a></div><div>[2] <a href="http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;" wrc_done="true">http://www.meetup.com/silicon-valley-python/messages/51831412/</a><span class="wrc_icon wrc13" rating="{"icon":"icn_extensiontop_green.png","rating":1,"weight":3,"flags":{"shopping":true,"social":null,"news":null,"it":null,"corporate":null,"pornography":null,"violence":null,"gambling":null,"drugs":null,"illegal":null}}"></span></div><div>[3<span style="font-size: 12pt;">] </span><a href="http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;">http://www.sfbayacm.org/event/silicon-valley-data-science-camp-2015</a></div><div>[4] <a href="http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;">http://www.sfbayacm.org/calendar</a></div><div>[5] <a href="http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together" target="_blank" style="font-size: 12pt;">http://events.hackerdojo.com/event/6716996662067200-kaggle-together</a></div><div><br></div><div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;">Stephen</span></div></div><div><span style="font-size: 12pt;"><br></span></div><div><br><div><hr id="stopSpelling">Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2016 08:01:27 -0800<br>Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups<br>From: bdbaddog@gmail.com<br>To: spmcinerney@hotmail.com<br>CC: martin@falatic.com; baypiggies@python.org<br><br><div dir="ltr">I'm the <a href="http://baypiggies.net" target="_blank">baypiggies.net</a> site admin.<div><br></div><div>Did you want to put up a statement about the meetup not being associated?</div><div>Perhaps we should reach out to <a href="http://meetup.com" target="_blank" wrc_done="true">meetup.com</a><span class="wrc_icon wrc13" rating="{"icon":"icn_extensiontop_green.png","rating":1,"weight":3,"flags":{"shopping":true,"social":null,"news":null,"it":null,"corporate":null,"pornography":null,"violence":null,"gambling":null,"drugs":null,"illegal":null}}"></span>?</div><div><br></div><div>-Bill</div></div><div class="ecxgmail_extra"><br><div class="ecxgmail_quote">On Wed, Jan 13, 2016 at 5:04 AM, Stephen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spmcinerney@hotmail.com" target="_blank">spmcinerney@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="ecxgmail_quote" style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div><div dir="ltr">I was about to post about this mystery too:<div>- I guess all the Meetup organizers became inactive sometime December,</div><div> and David A quietly stepped down without publicizing it, then the Meetup had no owner,</div><div>and could be taken over by anyone.</div><div>- Suresh V took over the Meetup group, charged a $20 fee per person per year, (which means he just made $600 off other people's community work, without permission),<span style="font-size:12pt;"> changed the Meetup name to "Bay Area Python 3.x Indulgence Group"</span><span style="font-size:12pt;"> (</span><a href="http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/" style="font-size:12pt;" target="_blank" wrc_done="true">http://www.meetup.com/BayPIGgies/</a><span class="wrc_icon wrc13" rating="{"icon":"icn_extensiontop_green.png","rating":1,"weight":3,"flags":{"shopping":true,"social":null,"news":null,"it":null,"corporate":null,"pornography":null,"violence":null,"gambling":null,"drugs":null,"illegal":null}}"></span><span style="font-size:12pt;">), unilaterally changed the venue, dates etc. (Actually he initially tried to charge $5/person/month dues, which would have been $60/person/year, to all </span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;">300 members.)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;">- I'm not sure he's even allowed to do that and probably he should give the </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">BayPIGgies Meetup organizer position back (he's welcome to start his own totally separate for-profit Python Meetup, but not use the BayPIGgies name, </span><span style="font-size:12pt;">and he should probably also refund all the $600 he obtained by using the BayPIGgies name without any permission)</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;">- does anyone have a contact for David A, the old organizer? I checked and I don't.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;"> I don't even know the spelling of his last name otherwise I'd have reached him in December.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt;"> We need to redistribute his organizer duties in a coordinated way. (Thanks David for the hard work.)</span></div><div><div>- meanwhile who are the owners of this BayPIGgies mailing-list and <a href="http://www.baypiggies.net" target="_blank">www.baypiggies.net</a> site admin</div><div> and domain name owner?</div></div><div><br></div><div>Stephen</div><div><br><div>> Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2016 18:10:43 -0800<br>> From: <a href="mailto:martin@falatic.com" target="_blank">martin@falatic.com</a><br>> To: <a href="mailto:baypiggies@python.org" target="_blank">baypiggies@python.org</a><br>> Subject: [Baypiggies] Big changes to the BayPIGgies Meetups<div><div class="h5"><br>> <br>> So I recently got an email saying I needed to pay $20 to stay in the<br>> BayPIGgies Meetup group. Figuring it's been good so far and not knowing<br>> things had significantly changed I paid it. Now I see that every upcoming<br>> Meetup has a fee attached to it as well (and they're no longer at LinkedIn<br>> and they're on odd days of the week - e.g., Saturday).<br>> <br>> And since when did the acronym change? Is the Meetup group not related to<br>> <a href="http://www.baypiggies.net/" target="_blank">http://www.baypiggies.net/</a> and this mailing list now?<br>> <br>> What's going on?<br>> <br>> - Marty<br>> <br>> <br>> _______________________________________________<br>> Baypiggies mailing list<br>> <a href="mailto:Baypiggies@python.org" target="_blank">Baypiggies@python.org</a><br>> To change your subscription options or unsubscribe:<br>> <a href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies" target="_blank">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/baypiggies</a><br></div></div></div></div> </div></div>
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