<div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Don! And Stephen.<br></div>-Bill<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 4:05 PM, Don Sheu <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:dinaldo@gmail.com" target="_blank">dinaldo@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">I've emailed Ewa Jodlowska Python's permanent professional for guidance. <div><br></div><div>The domain <a href="http://baypiggies.net" target="_blank">baypiggies.net</a> was transferred to the PSF in December 2015. Seems like PSF is an avenue for protecting the trademark. </div><div><br></div><div>Van Lindberg PSF board chair is a professionally the Associate General Counsel for Rackspace and specializes in IP law. </div><div><br></div><div>Waiting on a response from Ewa. I'll update any news on the front of the PSF. </div></div><div hspace="streak-pt-mark" style="max-height:1px"><img style="width:0px;max-height:0px;overflow:hidden" src="https://mailfoogae.appspot.com/t?sender=aZGluYWxkb0BnbWFpbC5jb20%3D&type=zerocontent&guid=5058effa-410a-4e08-aca6-686395612251"><font color="#ffffff" size="1">ᐧ</font></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="h5"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 3:58 PM, Stephen <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:spmcinerney@hotmail.com" target="_blank">spmcinerney@hotmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div><div dir="ltr"><div>Thanks Glen & Bill for stepping in:</div><div><br></div>-1 on re-registering BayPIGgies as a different Meetup. <div><span style="font-size:12pt">We have a strong chance to compel Suresh to hand back the existing Meetup.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Let us try that, as follows:</span><div><div><br></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> - that Meetup contains 3+ years of our (BayPIGgies) event history, comments, links</span></div><div> - this is different to the usual case of a Meetup "hostile takeover", where Meetup TOS offers</div><div> basically <span style="font-size:12pt">zero protection</span></div><div> - this case is different because "<span style="font-size:12pt">BayPIGgies" already had a separate legal existence back to</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> 1999, </span><span style="font-size:12pt">which long predated the Meetup. Apparently the term qualifies as an unregistered</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> "common-law" trademark. [IANAL]. </span></div><div> - Suresh's name-change to "BayPRIGgies" looks fairly clearly like a case of typosquatting,</div><div> isn't good-faith use,<span style="font-size:12pt"> and allowing that name to persist would continue the confusion.</span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"> - when we regain the Meetup, I believe we can also compel Suresh to refund the dues he charged</span></div><div><div> - IANAL, none of us is a lawyer, but Bill Deegan mentioned one of the PSF is, and may be available.</div><div> - we should probably also register "BayPIGgies" as a trademark. This costs ~$300-500 and lasts 10 years.</div><div> It should guarantee that this situation can't recur.</div><div><br></div><div>So, my recommendation:</div><div>i) quickly get lawyer to confirm the legal validity of <span style="font-size:12pt">"</span><span style="font-size:12pt">BayPIGgies" </span><span style="font-size:12pt">as an unregistered</span><span style="font-size:12pt"> trademark since 1999</span></div><div>ii) get lawyer to send both Suresh and Meetup a letter asserting our rights and asking them to</div><div> hand back the Meetup to us (also refund any dues gathered by using the name)</div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">iii) only in the event all that fails, then move to a new domain name as Glen suggested</span></div><div><div>iv) either way, register <span style="font-size:12pt">"BayPIGgies" as a trademark</span></div></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt"><br></span></div><div><span style="font-size:12pt">Any +1 or -1 on this? I think regaining control of the Meetup quickly is preferable and achievable.</span></div><div> </div><div>Stephen<br><br><div><hr>Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2016 09:42:37 -0800<br>From: <a href="mailto:glen@glenjarvis.com" target="_blank">glen@glenjarvis.com</a><br>To: <a href="mailto:berndca@gmail.com" target="_blank">berndca@gmail.com</a><br>Subject: Re: [Baypiggies] Message sent to Suresh (baypiggies meetup)<br>CC: <a href="mailto:baypiggies@python.org" target="_blank">baypiggies@python.org</a><div><div><br><br><div dir="ltr"><div><div>On Fri, Jan 15, 2016 at 7:25 AM, Bernd <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:berndca@gmail.com" target="_blank">berndca@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote style="border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Suresh has changed the name of his meetup to BayPRIGgies which has the new url:<br><br><a href="http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/" target="_blank">http://www.meetup.com/BayPRIGgies/</a><span></span><br><br>and added the following to the top of the groups home page:<br><br><blockquote style="border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Disclaimer:<br><br>We have nothing to do with the previous decades' organizations bearing the name BayPIGgies and the associated website or email.<br></blockquote><br>This should allow us to recover our groups url and past meetups with the help of meetup tech support.<br>We would have to create a new meetup group for BayPIGgies.<br><br>I understand that this is certainly not an ideal route. However I this might be our easiest route right now.<br><br>What do you think?<br></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>I personally think this is the best plan going forward and I also had the same idea. I donated the original MeetUp site. I can donate a second (and then work with the Python Software Foundation to get it officially sponsored and controlled by the group.</div><div><br></div><div>Before I take any action, however, I will wait for 24 hours. Saturday morning, by 9:30 am, I will register the new domain. Please -1 or +1 so that I know the group consensus (or at least the group's feeling on this plan).</div><div><br></div><div>If we do this, all will be restored except those who made payment previously. It may feel like an injustice has occurred. And, it has on all fronts -- everyone has been negatively impacted by this. We want to be "made whole" -- and re-registering the domain would make us almost completely "whole" in this matter.</div><div><br></div><div>Please +1 if you wish for me to register BayPIGgies again with MeetUp (I will donate costs via my company). </div><div><br></div><div>Please -1 if you don't wish for me to take this action.</div><div><br></div><div>In an absence of votes I will take this action tomorrow morning (Saturday) at 9:30 am.</div><div><br></div><div>Kindest Regards,</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Glen Jarvis</div></div>
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