<html><head></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; ">From the job description and location, I'm pretty sure this headhunter is recruiting for Textura:<div><br></div><div><a href="http://www.texturacorp.com/">http://www.texturacorp.com/</a>.<div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; "><span class="BlueBold" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 14px; font-weight: bold; color: rgb(54, 100, 162); ">Textura Headquarters</span><br>1405 Lake Cook Road<br>Deerfield, IL 60015</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Textura started using python with Webware when Webware was cool -- i.e., a long time ago.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Now there is nothing wrong with Webware ...</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"></span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">lots of people still use it and we all love our Ian Bicking for creating it.</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">But -- its no longer cool, so fewer and fewer people use it, </span></font><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">it isn't assimilating all of the latest and</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">greatest technology (</span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">AJAXy stuff in particular).</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">it is also getting harder to find people to work with it -- newer pythonistas might not have heard of it.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I have heard the following gossip -- I'm not sure of all of the details:</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Textura got bought by AON a couple of years ago, when hard times hit.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">AON moved their office from Lincolnshire to Deerfield.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">In their great corporate wisdom, AON wanted to change everything from Python to J2EE.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">(hence Java/J2EE polluting the job description)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">With the move and the tech change, they lost most, if not all, of their Python people.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">From what I understand -- management didn't really appreciate them either.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Its a curse of Python -- we make things look so easy -- managers don't realize how great we really are. </span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">So, now they need Python people again.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">Their </span></font><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">J2EE's must have failed, or come up with some ridiculous time estimate -- as we would have expected ;-)</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I did send my resume to these guys like a year ago -- never even got a reply.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">But then again, I was using the funky AON web interface (obviously J2EE) -- it might have lost it :)</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;">I guess the recruiter is less likely to lose it.</span></font></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-family: Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif; font-size: 13px; ">-Rob</span></div><div><font class="Apple-style-span" face="Geneva, Arial, Helvetica, sans-serif" size="3"><span class="Apple-style-span" style="font-size: 13px;"> </span></font></div><div><div><div><br></div><div>On Aug 6, 2010, at 4:32 PM, Jon Dugan wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:09 PM, sheila miguez <<a href="mailto:shekay@pobox.com">shekay@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote type="cite">On Fri, Aug 6, 2010 at 12:02 PM, David Rock <<a href="mailto:david@graniteweb.com">david@graniteweb.com</a>> wrote:<br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">* Daniel Griffin <<a href="mailto:dgriff1@gmail.com">dgriff1@gmail.com</a>> [2010-08-06 10:22]:<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">Typically it is fine, but usually more of a "hey my company is hiring, its<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">pretty cool working here" kind of post instead a wall of inconsistent<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">requirements for a job in huge red text.<br></blockquote></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">I had no idea the text was red. In mutt, I was spared the agony, it<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><blockquote type="cite">seems. :-)<br></blockquote></blockquote><blockquote type="cite"><br></blockquote><blockquote type="cite">and you bottom post. you're so cool. :)<br></blockquote><br>+1 for plain text<br>+1 for bottom posting<br>+1 for Friday<br>_______________________________________________<br>Chicago mailing list<br><a href="mailto:Chicago@python.org">Chicago@python.org</a><br>http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago<br></div></blockquote></div><br></div></div></body></html>