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The other piece is the unspoken job description, Python maybe the prime requirement but…what they aren’t saying is that what they are willing to train is testers, i.e.…they need testers with python, in reality most programmers who are in fact bona fide coders don’t really want to be put (stuck, forced, crammed) into a tester role…unless they are unit testing their own code (maybe). I know, we have some of these as well as a bunch of Java spots and Linux/Python admins (I don’t post on forum boards, blasting jobs has never really worked). There are a lot of openings and I will discuss them with anyone (we prefer transparency) but the reqs are rarely as simple as Python programmer.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'> <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><span style='font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";mso-bidi-font-family:"Times New Roman";color:#1F497D'><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'>From:</span></b><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif";mso-fareast-font-family:"Times New Roman"'> chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com@python.org [mailto:chicago-bounces+lance=roytalman.com@python.org] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Cezar Jenkins<br><b>Sent:</b> Wednesday, August 29, 2012 12:56 PM<br><b>To:</b> The Chicago Python Users Group<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Chicago] finding python programmers<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=MsoNormal><span style='color:#A0A0A8'>On Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 12:49 PM, sheila miguez wrote:</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Okay, the job mail flood prompts me to ask:<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Do companies have trouble finding python programmers? If so, why? What<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>should we do about it, if anything?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal>There is a major lack of talent nation wide for programmers in general. One of the founders of 1871 told us, "The unemployment for developers in Chicago must be 1%".<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So it's not an issue of Python programmers, it's an issue of programmer. Here is my personal guess. There were a ton of people getting CS degrees during the last bubble. Many just to ride the bubble. Well, it popped. So many people moved on to other careers.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>The job market was low, but so was the amount of talent. Well, the market is going up again, but there is a mismatch of talent. For a while many companies tried outsourcing. That didn't work so well.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>So we're left with a big vacuum of real talent. Combine this with every company wanting you to move out to the valley, which is a no-go for many in a job pool where the median age is going up (hard to just pick up a family), and you see the predicament.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Even supar hot startups like OpsCode are outsourcing because they can't find talent, even telecommute.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal> <o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style='border:none;border-left:solid windowtext 1.0pt;mso-border-left-alt:solid windowtext .75pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 8.0pt;margin-left:0in;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt'><div><div><div><p class=MsoNormal>I've been approached before by people looking for python programmers<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>who were having trouble finding people. I'd like to have howtos to<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>point them to. like, how to make your company a place where people<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>want to work. or, how to mentor students and new developers such that<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>you have a bigger pool of people to recruit from.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>stuff like that. does that already exist?<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>-- <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>sheila<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal>Chicago mailing list<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="mailto:Chicago@python.org">Chicago@python.org</a><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=MsoNormal><a href="http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago">http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/chicago</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></blockquote><div><p class=MsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p></div></div></body></html>