+1 to JP for including a link to the minutes. I remember something posted about it but thought there might be an email called "Chipy Meeting Minutes" send out after the meeting. <div><span></span><br><br>On Wednesday, March 5, 2014, JP Bader <<a>jp@zavteq.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr"><div><div class="gmail_extra">Actually, after stewing on it for a bit, I rewrote it to avoid the attacking:<div><br></div><div>Pete - <div><br></div><div>According to the minutes (which aren't available directly from the website, you either have to dig around or find a previous email can be found here: <a href="http://www.chipy.org/pages/chipy/board/" target="_blank">http://www.chipy.org/pages/chipy/board/</a>), board members are:<div>
<br></div><div>1) Brian R</div><div>2) Adam B</div><div>3) Adam F</div><div>4) Randy B</div><div>5) Amber D</div><div>6) Jerry D</div><div><br></div><div>That said, as you pointed out, Chipy is not a PSF resource. This email list (<a>chicago@python.org</a>) is. </div>
<div><br></div><div>ChiPy is a privately owned club. </div><div><br></div><div>The <a>chicago@python.org</a> is FOR EVERYONE, not just ChiPy, and that said, I'd really like to see more people administering that email list. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Honestly, over the last few weeks we have seen nasty emails chide members of our great community. This is not only distasteful, it does not improve our community. And though some rodents might have contributed to the groups drinking and eating, whether or not a recruiter wants to line those folks' pockets should not mean a recruiter should not have access to our community. Work pays the bills. Transparency keeps us honest.</div>
<div><br></div><div>The community as a whole deserves unimpeded and unfettered access to information. <br></div><div><br></div><div>Clearly <a>chicago@python.org</a> is a public list for anyone who wants to be involved in the python community in and around Chicago (or frankly anywhere in the world). That's the beauty of the internet, everyone everywhere should get to participate. If there are now controls in place to block the group from seeing what 1-2 people think are spam, then the problem is that private interests are trumping the group. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Unfortunately, reading the minutes from the club's board meetings thus far, it is truly enervating that a private board thinks it gets to decide information is disseminated to the community. The email does not belong to a club, it belongs to our community.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If you don't care, then you aren't paying attention. </div><div><br></div><div>It has been hard over the last few weeks to watch the email list get spammed with demands that anyone wishing to participate play by dictated rules, or be labelled a coward. After spending a fair amount of time to understand this behavior, I came to a peaceful conclusion that this isn't personal. <br>
</div><div><br></div><div>I love the Python community, have learned a lot from different resources, and enjoy meeting people who are serious about learning and sharing. Thankfully I understand a lot more about ChiPy, how it's perceived, and am ok with that.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Instead of being upset, I wish remain a part of <a>chicago@python.org</a>, and that means participating in a community where there are workshops, office hours, learning opportunities, and even *gasp* job opportunities.</div>
<div><br></div><div>If the club owners wish to maintain control of their fiefdom, that's perfectly fine. It's under ownership, so why shouldn't they? </div><div><br></div><div><a>chicago@python.org</a> is part of the community, and nobody has more right than Pete, or myself, or [insert name here], to see what's coming to the community. For that, we need ultimate transparency. If it isn't obvious to someone who sits on the board of PSF, then there is a serious problem. </div>
<div><br></div><div>Regardless of how quickly the ChiPy club wishes to address this, if other people are interested in participating as mods of <a>chicago@python.org</a>, please request Cezar to add you to the list directly. This is your group too.</div>
<div><br></div><div>That said, Cezar, as a person who is committed to our community, learning, and participating in all things Python (when applicable) I am publicly requesting to be made an admin of the <a>chicago@python.org</a> mailing list.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Regards,<br></div><div><br></div><div>JP</div><div><br></div><div><div>python >>> import this<br></div><div><p>"Special cases aren't special enough to break the rules."</p></div>
</div><div class="gmail_extra">*If you aren't participating because you don't want to be bullied, then you are paying attention!</div></div></div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Tue, Mar 4, 2014 at 2:09 PM, Peter Fein <span dir="ltr"><<a>pete@wearpants.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div>On Mon, Mar 3, 2014 at 11:36 AM, Brian Ray <<a>brianhray@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
</div><div>> There is a current action item to review this process (moderation of mailing<br>
> list) by the ChiPy board. As it stands until then:<br>
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</div>I'm still waiting to know who the mysterious members of this board are<br>
that are making these decisions on the community's behalf about how a<br>
PSF resource is used.<br>
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