Strong and weak points of distutils 1 Was: [Distutils] thoughtson
distutils 1 & 2
ronaldoussoren at mac.com
Mon May 17 06:30:17 EDT 2004
On 17-mei-04, at 12:18, Moore, Paul wrote:
> From: Ronald Oussoren
>> On 15-mei-04, at 0:23, Lars Immisch wrote:
>>> From Bob:
>>>> Not all operating systems have a usable package management system
>>>> (Win32, Mac OS X, probably others).
>>> What's wrong with Installer.app and/or PackageMaker?
>> Both are installers, not package management systems. There is no
>> interface for listing which packages are installed and uninstalling
>> packages, let alone dependency management.
> Hmm. I'm not sure I see what you're saying here. If you're saying that
> "usable package management system" needs to support a "public
> for listing which packages are installed, uninstalling packages, and
> dependency management (which you'd need to define more clearly) then
> Windows certainly does have one (albeit a bit primitive).
Installer.app is for MacOS X. The big problem with Installer.app is
that it can *only* be used to install application, Apple doesn't
include an application to uninstall software.
> Applications which wish to participate in the standard "Add/Remove
> interface have to register certain registry keys, so to some extent
> would count as a "public interface". Listing & uninstall only, there's
> dependency management, but it's a start. And it's what the current
> bdist_wininst uses, so it's supported by distutils right now.
> What, specifically, do you need the OS to provide, and why? What real
> problem exists with the current system? (At least in the context of
> the "build a standard OS package" commands, like bdist_wininst,
> etc). The only major issue I see is dependency management, and,
> I'm happy to treat this as a documentation issue (package X documents
> it relies on package Y, version a.b or later, and package Z, version
> Of course, I don't want automatic downloading of dependencies,
> of dependencies when a package is uninstalled, etc, which maybe others
I'll let others answer this question, I've never used the bdist_*
commands (other than bdist_dumb).
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