[Distutils] "setup.py needs to go away" (was [PEP 376] - Open questions on python-dev)
jim at zope.com
Sat Jul 11 13:25:10 CEST 2009
On Jul 11, 2009, at 7:04 AM, David Lyon wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Jul 2009 06:54:53 -0400, Jim Fulton <jim at zope.com> wrote:
>> This is really off topic. I'll reply but I'll switch the list to
>>> Why is there so many problems with python hosting? What I mean
>>> is that any linux host that can run python should be able to
>>> do web hosting easily. Say like run zope/plone.
>>> Is this due to difficulties in getting packages onto a web host?
>>> What could be done in an ideal world to make it a snap to
>>> run zope on my cheapy linux web hosting service (that already
>>> has python)?
> No it is not OT. It's totally on-topic...
> I'm asking how an application developer using a cheapy web hosting
> plan (who cannot run setup.py)... could do a package installation.
> Therefore, allowing "setup.py needs to go away"
> I can't keep on-topic anymore than that...
> It is a valid question...
Well, I think it's still better asked over on web-sig, as I don't
*think* it's primarily a packaging question. I'll try to make a more
packaging-centric reply here. A major problem with the low cost
providers is that you don't get a shell prompt, so you can't use any
packaging tools. More importantly, you can't run long-running
Lots of people are being drawn to Google App Engine. It also doesn't
give you a shell prompt, but it has a tool for uploading software that
then runs in long-running processes. There are packaging tools that
let you assemble software in the needed format on your server for
upload to GAE. For example:
Of course, lots of relatively inexpensive co-lo providers give you a
VM that it's straightforward, I asume, to install Python web
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