<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:times new roman, new york, times, serif;font-size:12pt"><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;">Hi folks,</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 12pt;"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">lately i was wondering (again) if i should put my small python projects on</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">pypi, and reevaluated (again) the required package-format. And quite frankly</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style:
normal;">im confused (again) as so many times before. I count at least 5 major and 3</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;">minor/alternative packaging-systems:</div><div style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-size: 16px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); background-color: transparent; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><div style="background-color: transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">* distutils</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">* distutils2 (=packaging?!)</font></div><div style="background-color:
transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">* setuptools</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">* easy_install</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif">* distribute</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"><br></font></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"># bento</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color:
rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"># pip </font></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><font face="times new roman, new york, times, serif"># zc.buildout</font></div><div style="background-color: transparent;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: Ubuntu; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">A quick search-engine consultation brought results dated from 2009 to</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">*early* 2012 in the top-ten, where the 2009ish results were not easily</span></div><div
style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">recognized as outdated and ranked mostly before the newer ones.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">(e.g. #4:The Hitchhiker's Guide to Packaging: <span style="color: rgb(255, 255, 255); font-family: sans-serif; font-size: 12px; text-align: center; background-color: rgb(17, 48, 61);"> 2009, Tarek Ziadé. </span>)<br></span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new
roman', 'new york', times, serif;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">The next stop lead to the *official* (as in supposed guideline) python docs.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">But then it got me again. *setup.py* ?! I thought Ziade said 2011 something</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif;">like: </span><span
style="background-color: transparent;">"No more setup.py!" (And if i recall correctly - wanted to be applauded</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">for this achievment! ;-) )</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">So i postponed (again) my contributions - not really a loss for the world -</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">but somewhat sad
nevertheless. (And with growing respect i give my kudos</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">to those, which allow me to use pip for their packages.)</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">And i'm not bitching (o.k. maybe a little bit;-) ) about the still unresolved,</span><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">non-trivial <span style="background-color:
transparent;">task of creating the perfect packaging-system.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">What i'm really so </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">sad about is the missing, or rather misleading and confusing</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">pointer(s) for </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">new pastry-chefs willing to contribute </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">to the cheese-cake-shop</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times,
serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">as what to do.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;"><br></span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">Maybe i'm just too dumb, to get it straight in one go, but on the other hand</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">even Forest Gump build abundance and a rich empire out of his good-will,</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style:
normal;">because he had the benevolent guidance of those smarter then him.</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">Why am i denied this oppurtunity? As it turned out it seems i'm not the only</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">one. A friend of mine wanted to contribute some rather particular applications</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">and libraries, which he wrote for his experiments for his
Ph.D.-Thesis,</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">but gave up after he couldn't figure it out how to do it right <span style="background-color: transparent;">in one afternoon.</span></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">He felt discouraged by the circumstance, that he need more time to figure </div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">out how to make a package, then to actually write his tools. Or maybe he didn't</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style:
normal;">want to admit he was embarrassed to need a higher IQ for simple packaging</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">then for his doctoral thesis! ;-)</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><div style="background-color: transparent;">So i figured out i'm not the only one, who prefers to relay on .tgz, .deb, or</div><div style="background-color: transparent;">at least <span style="background-color: transparent;">buildout redistribution as a personal packaging system, if not checking</span></div><div style="background-color:
transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">out </span><span style="background-color: transparent;">directly</span><span style="background-color: transparent;"> from a cvs.</span></div></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">So please, please fix at least the docs. I'm dreaming of a google-hit ranked:</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">#1 python packaging primer for budding pastry chefs in five
minutes.</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">Your entry into the Cheese-shop aka pypi (Python Package Index) ...</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">(p.s. don't look elsewhere except if searching for a python 2.7 guide!)</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">Dated February 2012 - python 3.3</div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman',
'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;"><div style="background-color: transparent;"><span style="background-color: transparent;">#2: </span>python packaging primer for budding pastry chefs in five minutes.</div><div style="background-color: transparent;">Your entry into the Cheese-shop aka pypi (Python Package Index) ...<br></div><div style="background-color: transparent; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-size: 16px; font-family: 'times new roman', 'new york', times, serif; font-style: normal;">(p.s. don't look elsewhere!)<br></div><div style="background-color: transparent;">Dated February 2012 - python 2.7</div><div><br></div><div>With heartfelt regards and in hope not to be a to big douche,</div><div>Donny</div></div></div></div></body></html>