<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=windows-1252"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On May 3, 2013, at 6:29 AM, Nick Coghlan <<a href="mailto:ncoghlan@gmail.com">ncoghlan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote type="cite"><p dir="ltr">Because sysadmins don't participate in upstream development and non-platform provided tools messing with /usr is wrong, wrong, wrong.</p><p dir="ltr">The system Python is the domain of distro tools, we should be leaving it the hell alone.</p><p dir="ltr">Cheers,<br>
Nick.</p></blockquote></div><div>To be honest your proposal doesn't really do that since you want it to install into the site-packages if they are running it as root. If that's you're argument you should at least be consistent within your own proposal. One of my main problems with your proposal is that we suddenly have surprising behavior about where packages are being installed to:</div><div><br></div><div> Linux + root user = site-packages</div><div> Linux + regular user = user-packages (<-- Going to confuse people because it's different)</div><div> Linux + regular user + virtualenv = site-packages</div><div><br></div><div>I don't know much about RHEL, but Debian "installing globally" means installing into /usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y/site-packages/ which is exactly where Debian wants you to put python libraries not installed via apt. Apt drops things</div><div>into /usr/local/lib/pythonX.Y/dist-packages.</div><div><br></div><div>Even if installing into the "system" python globally is wrong is there even a way too determine if we are attempting to install into a *system* python or not? I could be wrong but afaik there's not a good way to determine if this is a python that is managed by the system or one that was installed otherwise. If that's the case then we break by default one of the viable methods of isolation *from* system. This is very popular on OSX where people tend to install a non system python via homebrew to isolate themselves.</div><div>
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