<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html charset=iso-8859-1"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space; "><br><div><div>On Jul 30, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Paul Moore <<a href="mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com">p.f.moore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">On 30 July 2013 21:58, Donald Stufft <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:donald@stufft.io" target="_blank">donald@stufft.io</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
<div id=":2gb" style="overflow:hidden">As far as how to fix it I don't have a particularly magic answer. I will try to be more<br>
mindful of my tone and that distutils-sig is likely not my adversary anymore as well<br>
as try to ask questions instead of arguing the relevance immediately.</div></blockquote></div><br>Thank you - both for the thoughtful response and the explanation of what is going on in your thinking.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I certainly tend to think about possible issues rather than benefits, maybe more than I should as I don't personally have any particular problems with a rapid pace of change (except in some specific areas where I'm in so much of a minority that I don't expect my concerns to be a big driver in the grand scheme of things). I think I'm doing this to make sure people haven't missed potential issues I'm aware of, but I can easily imagine that this comes across as negative "stop energy". I'll try to stick to issues where I have genuine concerns, and not theoretical ones in future.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I don't actually mind even theoretical problems nor do I want people to feel like they need to coddle me because of my history with distutils-sig. That history and how It affects me is *my* problem. I think as long as we, including myself, approach theoretical problems as "Let's figure out if this theoretical problem is actually a problem, and if it is do we care about it" and not "here's a bunch of possible problems, we can't do this" then there will be no issues.</div><div><br></div><div>It's true that theoretical problems can make me feel more like someones applying stop energy than concrete problems, but that's not a problem of the person bringing up that problem and more just it triggering old feelings from a time where I couldn't even get a SSL certificate trusted by most major browsers by default deployed ;). Not allowing those feelings to poison current efforts is on me.</div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
<div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And yes, it does feel like distutils-sig of 2013 is a much nicer place than it used to be. Thanks to everyone for working to keep that the case.</div><div class="gmail_extra">
<br></div><div class="gmail_extra">Paul</div></div>
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