<br><br>On Saturday, April 21, 2018, James Bennett <<a href="mailto:ubernostrum@gmail.com">ubernostrum@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">Pulling in a sort-of success story from another large project, I like the general way things happen in Django.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">For developers proposing an idea or fixing a bug:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">* There's IRC (#django-dev) for quick, synchronous-ish discussion, useful for someone to find a sounding board for an idea</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>#pypa (Freenode manages these)</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">* There's a dev mailing list where proposals can be discussed a bit more formally</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/distutils-sig</a> (still not sure who volunteered to manage these)<br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/pypa-dev">https://groups.google.com/forum/m/#!forum/pypa-dev</a> (or this)<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">* There's the public ticket tracker as a place to follow work being done</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues">https://github.com/pypa/setuptools/issues</a><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues">https://github.com/pypa/pip/issues</a><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues">https://github.com/pypa/warehouse/issues</a><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues">https://github.com/pypa/twine/issues</a><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/issues">https://github.com/pypa/virtualenv/issues</a><br></div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues">https://github.com/pypa/packaging-problems/issues</a><br></div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">And for users seeking help or general discussion:</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">* There's IRC (#django) and a users mailing list</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>GitHub.com/pypa/<project>/new </div><div>  label: Question</div><div><br></div><div>#pypa</div><div>distutils-sig</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra">* There's an official-ish subreddit moderated by committers</div><div class="gmail_extra">* And there's the rest of the internet, including Stack Overflow, which we can't moderate but which many experienced people in the community do pay attention to</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pip">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pip</a><br></div><div><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pypi">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/pypi</a><br></div><div><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/virtualenv">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/virtualenv</a><br></div><div><a href="https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python-packaging">https://stackoverflow.com/questions/tagged/python-packaging</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Thanks to the people who host and handle these questions.</div><div><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">We've avoided using GitHub issues for Django, preferring the workflow tools we get from our own customized Trac instance.</div><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">I wonder whether something similar -- a real-time chat for discussion/sounding board/etc., mailing list to bring things to once they've been thought about a bit, public tracker for following work/archival purposes -- would work for packaging.</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Should there, in addition to #pypa IRC and gitter, be a zulip topic (?) for pypa?</div><div><br></div><div>AFAIU, Zulip started at Dropbox, is written in Python, supports boots, and is functionally similar to Slack, Gitter, and MatterMost?</div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div><div class="gmail_extra">(I am also wary of too much "process"; Django has a fair bit, and more than I'd ideally like, but my experience has been that process and participation are generally inversely correlated)</div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div>Better yet, fork and send a pull request (PR)? </div>