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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2> Hi Becky,<SPAN class=405184710-03092014>
Everyone</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=405184710-03092014>I also agree with
what Ian said when I turned up to the pub it felt like gate crashing a
someone elses party despite most people going out of there way to
be welcoming. Don't get me wrong I think the pub meetups are a good idea,
but there is also a market for an event that is perhaps more formal and
welcomes newcomers and women on an equal
footing? </SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=405184710-03092014></SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN class=405184710-03092014>I think Ian asks an
interesting question. So I sort of repeat in my own words. Are you on this
mailing list and would like to go to the meetup but not that comfortable trying
to make conversation with a large group you don't know(yet), especially if you
think they have more experience? Have you been just
once?</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#0000ff size=2 face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2>I was not intending to be critical of pyLadies. It's
good that that you organised such a group. It<SPAN
class=405184710-03092014>'</SPAN>s the need to have the group in the 1st place
that is what I find alien. At the one meetup I went to it was impossible not to
notice it was a very male dominated group. I had never seen this
before. <SPAN class=405184710-03092014>I was not going to the pub to
meet woman I just found there absense noticable.
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color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
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<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=405184710-03092014>Cheers</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr><SPAN class=933232310-03092014><FONT face=Arial><FONT
color=#0000ff><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=405184710-03092014>Glenn</SPAN></FONT></FONT></FONT></SPAN></DIV></DIV>
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<FONT size=2 face=Tahoma><B>From:</B> Edinburgh
[mailto:edinburgh-bounces+glenn.bald=forestry.gsi.gov.uk@python.org] <B>On
Behalf Of </B>Ian McConachie<BR><B>Sent:</B> 03 September 2014
11:38<BR><B>To:</B> Python Edinburgh<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Python Edinburgh]
Talks!<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
<DIV></DIV>Hi everyone,<BR><BR>I have been lurking on this mailing list for
quite some time but maybe should now stick my hand in the air.<BR><BR>I think
that PyLadies is an excellent group. I used to teach computing at college and
one of the issues that we were always trying to find solutions for was
attracting women into computer science.<BR>Any initiative that presents a women
friendly path into the programming community can only be applauded and
supported. I was very pleased to see the emergence of the Edinburgh group, well
done Becky.<BR><BR>I joined this mailing group a few years ago and attended one
pub meetup which turned out not to be what I was anticipating. Everyone was
really friendly and welcoming but due to the nature of meeting in a pub, I felt
like I was gatecrashing on a group of friends having a regular get
together.<BR><BR>It would be interesting for someone to think about how many
people, like myself have come along to only one metup.<BR><BR>I think the more
structured approach of talks and workshops would offer a better environment for
new people to come along and feel welcomed into the group. Then maybe more
people will feel comfortable in joining in the pub meetups as well.<BR><BR><BR>
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<DIV dir=ltr>PyLadies is a global organisation with chapters in many locations
around the world (<A href="http://www.pyladies.com/locations/"
moz-do-not-send="true">http://www.pyladies.com/locations/</A>). Yes,
there is a need for a culture change, and PyLadies (and other groups aimed at
supporting women in programming) are part of the work towards that
change. The aim is not to divide female/male groups, but to give women a
group that they feel comfortable joining, and to provide a bridge into the
wider python community. Then we may get a better balance at Python
Edinburgh as well.<BR><BR><BR><BR><BR></DIV>
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11:07</SPAN></FONT></DIV></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><!----><BR>Python is used by ArcGIS to automate any processes within
ArcGIS, ie you<BR>can program ArcGIS in python.<BR><BR>gdal is one of the
libraries used by qgis or grass. I might be able to<BR>direct you at useful
python packages to do particular bits of GIS<BR>processing. We have people use
python with ArcGIS to automate processes.<BR>Another big area is processing of
satellite images.<BR><BR>Python is great in a scientific environment, it is
easy to use and<BR>learn, there are plenty of good modules and you are not
limited to a<BR>particular problem domain. We recommend python where it makes
sense and<BR>see a huge uptake by academics and postdocs. We are now starting
to<BR>teach our undergrads python.
<BR><BR>Cheers<BR>magnus<BR><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>Edinburgh
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class=__pbConvBody __pbrmquotes="true"><PRE wrap="">I have only been to one pub meet. People were friendly but I was a bit
lost. Most people seemed regulars? For me personally demonstrations and
talks possibly more useful at my stage but I can see for more
established developers pub meetup useful.
The reason I ask about GIS is I think python has a lot of potential in
GIS. I use for ArcGIS on Oracle. Also interested in it's use with QGIS
never heard of gdal (will look up).
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Subject: Re: [Python Edinburgh] Talks!
On Wed, 2014-09-03 at 10:05 +0100, Bald, Glenn wrote:
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Hello,
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I do think there is a space for Educational/Presentational effents
that could have pizza and beer/coffee after. So yes if someone comes
along and wishes to organise its a good thing. BUT should not clash
with the timing of the pub meetup.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
<delurking>
I haven't managed to make it to a pub meeting but really should do.
Having more stuff in my calendar makes it even more tricky. So I'd
prefer to keep it simple. I think the issue with talks is that it is
tricky getting a stream of good talks. So having regular pub meetings
with the occasional talk is more feasible.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Since I am emailing everyone Does anyone use Python in a GIS context?
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
We (at the School of GeoSciences) have a good number of people using
python in a GIS context, both together with arcgis and gdal and friends.
Any particular questions?
Cheers
magnus
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</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">I do think there is a space for Educational/Presentational effents
that could have pizza and beer/coffee after. So yes if someone comes
along and wishes to organise its a good thing. BUT should not clash
with the timing of the pub meetup.
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
<delurking>
I haven't managed to make it to a pub meeting but really should do.
Having more stuff in my calendar makes it even more tricky. So I'd
prefer to keep it simple. I think the issue with talks is that it is
tricky getting a stream of good talks. So having regular pub meetings
with the occasional talk is more feasible.
</PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><PRE wrap="">Since I am emailing everyone Does anyone use Python in a GIS context?
</PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE wrap=""><!---->
We (at the School of GeoSciences) have a good number of people using
python in a GIS context, both together with arcgis and gdal and friends.
Any particular questions?
Cheers
magnus
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Hello,</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I think I have lost track. I am either with the people front
of Judea or the Judean people front. I don't think another meetup would
do anything other than split the group? I already think having a seperate
womans group is counter productive. If women feel uncomfortable or
intimidated then this should be discussed so we can change the culture to
welcome everyone.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>I do think there is a space for Educational/Presentational
effents that could have pizza and beer/coffee after. So yes if someone comes
along and wishes to organise its a good thing. BUT should not clash with
the timing of the pub meetup. </FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Since I am emailing everyone Does anyone use Python in a GIS
context?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Cheers</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=532533608-03092014><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2 face=Arial>Glenn</FONT></SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<B>On Behalf Of </B>Mark Smith<BR><B>Sent:</B> 02 September 2014
16:59<BR><B>To:</B> Python Edinburgh<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Python Edinburgh]
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<DIV dir=ltr>Hi everybody,
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>In the past when I've asked around, there's been a general feeling that
we'd like to keep the pub meetups as they are and run talks separately. Before
Toms unilaterally changes the format of our main function can anybody who has
an opinion reply to this thread stating their preference.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>I think the options are:</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>* Keep pub meetups as they are and run talks separately on a different
day.</DIV>
<DIV>* Start each meetup in a suitable venue (probably a local Python shop's
office) with a short talk, followed by a move to the pub</DIV>
<DIV>* Hold each meetup in suitable venue (see above) with a short talk and
(possibly free) beer and pizza.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>If anyone has any other suggestions, please also feel free to post
them.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>--Mark</DIV></DIV>
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