On 03/06/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul D. Fernhout</b> <<a href="mailto:pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com">pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><div><br>Just for feedback, I've just installed PyGTK & GTK+
2.8 runtime & pyCairo on a WinXP box and its really quick: 1 exe for each to double click on.<br><a href="http://www.pcpm.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/">http://www.pcpm.ucl.ac.be/~gustin/win32_ports/</a><br><br>The 3D gtkglext is more difficult for now (I didn't find any exe): => mingw , make for win, etc ...
<br><br>Maybe for very *motivated* people (under win and mac-intel), a "heavy-gear" possibility to be sure that most things are well set-up will be a patapata-liveCD (maybe based on something like Morphix - that I might try this summer).
<br><br>While checking this I've just found out that "pyro" made an apparently nice live-CD (with knoppix) :<br><a href="http://www.pyrorobotics.org/?page=PyroLiveCD">http://www.pyrorobotics.org/?page=PyroLiveCD
</a><br><br>Actually I think it would also be useful to have a ~ "PythonWorldEdu-LiveCD" with :<br><br>- Python resources (+ videos)<br>- all the educational Python softs possible (patapata, vpython, Crunchy-Frog, rur-ple, "gnu-math", pyro, pygeo, pygame, pymol, etc ...)
<br>- Pyhon and Python bindings apps to make contents with (Blender, Gimp, etc) or to play games.<br><br>In fact I'd like something I could show to people and say : all this software are done either in Python or you can tinker them with Python (bindings) and if you want to begin to discover/learn Python all you need is the live CD and begin playing with all these.
<br><br>Concerning your java options, I don't know if you've seen the Logo TNG Gui on OS-X :<br><a href="http://education.mit.edu/starlogo-tng/tutorial-videos/">http://education.mit.edu/starlogo-tng/tutorial-videos/</a><br>
<br>I'm not a big Java fan but if Java applets could help to bring patapata in a browser with some python code background it could be important.<br>For Alan Kay the browser is something to reconsider:<br><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/2006-April/msg00035.html">
http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/2006-April/msg00035.html</a><br><br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> (And I would rather be modifying Jython than CPython,
<br>since Java is somewhat easier to work with than C.) So, maybe I should<br>think harder about a Jython/Swing version of PataPata (at least as another<br>proof of concept)?</blockquote><div><br>Dear me I don't now were you find all this pluridisplinarity and energy !
<br>I don't know what you eat (or drink) in the morning but I want to order the same ;)<br><br>Concerning the different graphical/GUI choices I just don't now enough yet to be useful but I'm following with interest your investigations.
<br>Maybe, If after gathering feedback's you're not sure about the choices to make, I tend to advise to go with the one you "feel" you will have the more fun with :)<br>I'm quite convince of that after reading Pekka Himanen book (phD at 20 ...) which have also an interesting intro of Torwald about the 3 (survival,social, and fun) needs :
<br><a href="http://www.pekkahimanen.org/">http://www.pekkahimanen.org/</a><br><a href="http://www.netvironments.org/ECulture/Module3/HackerEthic/">http://www.netvironments.org/ECulture/Module3/HackerEthic/</a><br><br>francois
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