<br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 6/3/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">francois schnell</b> <<a href="mailto:francois.schnell@gmail.com">francois.schnell@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div>On 03/06/06, <b class="gmail_sendername">Paul D. Fernhout</b> <<a href="mailto:pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">pdfernhout@kurtz-fernhout.com</a>
> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote"></span><div><br><br>- Python resources (+ videos)<br>- all the educational Python softs possible (patapata, vpython, Crunchy-Frog, rur-ple, "gnu-math", pyro, pygeo, pygame, pymol, etc ...)
<br>- Pyhon and Python bindings apps to make contents with (Blender, Gimp, etc) or to play games.<br><br>In fact I'd like something I could show to people and say : all this software are done either in Python or you can tinker them with Python (bindings) and if you want to begin to discover/learn Python all you need is the live CD and begin playing with all these.
<br><br>Concerning your java options, I don't know if you've seen the Logo TNG Gui on OS-X :<br><a href="http://education.mit.edu/starlogo-tng/tutorial-videos/" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://education.mit.edu/starlogo-tng/tutorial-videos/</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>Nice! This is obviously not the work of hobbyists. However, while the GUI is impressive, I am somewhat puzzled by their choice of angle measurement: 0 degree is "up" (
i.e. y-axis in the traditional notation), 90 degrees is "right" (i.e. x-axis), etc. So, angles are increasing in the clockwise direction, starting from the y-axis. I wonder what their rationale is to use this non-conventional notation. It reminds me of the standard choice for the origin (top left) of screen image, with increasing y-coordinates going down, versus the standard mathematical choice for the origin (center ... or bottom left) with increasing y-coordinates going up.
<br> </div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div><div>I'm not a big Java fan but if Java applets could help to bring patapata in a browser with some python code background it could be important.
<br>For Alan Kay the browser is something to reconsider:<br><a href="http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/2006-April/msg00035.html" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.redhat.com/archives/olpc-software/2006-April/msg00035.html</a></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br>After reading Kay's post, I can say that Crunchy Frog appears to be heading in a similar way (fingers crossed) where you will be able to do turtle graphics. (And, hopefully, eventually ... embedded rur-ple :-) Who knows, one day, perhaps patapata will be supported in a browser using Crunchy Frog. (mostly Python with some javascript code and using the <canvas> tag.)
<br><br>André<br></div></div><br><br>