On 16/07/06, <b class="gmail_sendername"><a href="mailto:ajsiegel@optonline.net">ajsiegel@optonline.net</a></b> <<a href="mailto:ajsiegel@optonline.net">ajsiegel@optonline.net</a>> wrote:<div><span class="gmail_quote">
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<div>But in the end I think we need to converge - if we are to converge - </div>
<div>around a respect for science and its methods.</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Wow <shocking/>... what makes you think that Alan Kay doesn't respect science and its methods ? <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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<div>What I consider to be the "assault on my sensibilities" is Kay claiming an </div>
<div>exception for himself, to the rules of the game. </div></div></blockquote><div><br>I'm not sure I understand, what Alan Kay is 'claiming' exactly ? <br></div><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>Are we to play by no rules whatsoever?</div></div></blockquote><div><br> "we" ? again I'm not sure what you mean exactly but Papert, Kay,
Negroponte and friends are interested in "children first" .... that's
where things become difficult to understand for teachers focused on
*their* teaching (and not on the various learning process of their
pupils).</div><br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"><div><div>Seniority is not science. *That's* politics.</div></div></blockquote>
<div><br>Major scientific breakthrough has been done by people having the courage of going against the established 'politically correct' representations of their time.<br><br>Science progress is by far not a linear process.
<br><br>When you do *politics* (if you want to be elected) I guess you avoid to disturb the main beliefs/representations in place.<br><br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div>Am I to accept that I have nostalgia problem, an IQ problem, </div>
<div>bad eye sight?</div>
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<div>Hard, when what I think that what I have is a good view of the hand in</div>
<div>front of my face. And that this is what is causing my "problem".</div></div></blockquote><div><br>Einstein said that it's ~"hard to understand what you never experienced" and I believe that's why he also said that "imagination is more important that knowledge" (ridding a photon to ~"experience" relativity, etc ...).
<br><br>Maybe you should work on your "imagination amplifier" ;)<br><a href="http://www.rheingold.com/texts/tft/11.html">http://www.rheingold.com/texts/tft/11.html</a><br><br>francois<br><br><i></i><br></div><br>
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