<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Dear Carol,</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I apologize for letting my frustration show in this way, in a public forum.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">André</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jun 18, 2018 at 1:01 PM Carol Willing <<a href="mailto:willingc@willingconsulting.com">willingc@willingconsulting.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div style="word-wrap:break-word;line-break:after-white-space">Hi Andre,<div><br></div><div>I'm sorry that you did not like my response when I was triaging all of the open Turtle issues. </div><div><br></div><div>I am happy to change the status back to open. All that you needed to do was ask politely and give me a chance, as a volunteer, to have the time to do so.<br><div><br></div><div>Regards,</div><div><br></div><div>Carol</div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On Jun 17, 2018, at 1:41 PM, Andre Roberge <<a href="mailto:andre.roberge@gmail.com" target="_blank">andre.roberge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="m_-5084307266547692655Apple-interchange-newline"><div><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">So, a little over 3 years after I submitted a bug report (see previous conversation below) **with a fix** so that no one would have to explain why "right()" could result in a turtle turning left, and vice-versa, my submission was refused and the bug report was closed with the following explanation:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">"
<pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px">I'm closing this issue since introducing this suggested change would impact teaching materials and resources that have already been published. This would be a change that would break compatibility.</pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px">"</pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px">I'm curious: does anyone on the edu-sig list has written teaching material for the turtle module that sets world coordinates such that left and right are reversed? If so, how do you explain it to students?</pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px"><br></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px">Rant: This is the third time that I submit either a bug report for cPython **with** a proposed fix, or simply a fix for an existing bug report and that it is either rejected or dismissed with no alternative solution proposed. Thankfully, the folks here on edu-sig have been much more supportive since I joined, almost 15 years ago. /rant</pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px"><br></pre><pre style="white-space:pre-wrap;word-wrap:break-word;font-size:11.8953px">André</pre>
</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 12:48 PM Andre Roberge <<a href="mailto:andre.roberge@gmail.com" target="_blank">andre.roberge@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><br><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Fri, Mar 13, 2015 at 8:52 AM, Jurgis Pralgauskis <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jurgis.pralgauskis@gmail.com" target="_blank">jurgis.pralgauskis@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div>Hi, <br><br></div>usually in computer graphics Y is counted to increase downwards.<br></div>I casn do it with: setworldcoordinates(0, 400, 600, 0)<br clear="all"><div><div><div><div><br></div><div>but then, "right(..)" turns to the left :/<br><br></div><br><div>I could swap: <br></div><div>right, left = left, right<br></div><div><br></div><div>but on errror I get a bit misleading message <br></div><div><br>>>> right()<br>Traceback (most recent call last):<br> File "<pyshell#10>", line 1, in <module><br> right()<br>TypeError: left() takes exactly 1 argument (0 given)<br><br></div><div>I thought to make this hack for kids, so better clearer error msgs...<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div><br>Any Ideas?<br></div></div></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><a href="http://bugs.python.org/issue23660" target="_blank">http://bugs.python.org/issue23660</a> (includes a proposed "permanent" fix). </div><div><br></div><div>André</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div><div></div><div>Thanks :)<span><font color="#888888"><br></font></span></div><span><font color="#888888"><div>-- <br><div>Jurgis Pralgauskis<br>tel: 8-616 77613;<br>Don't worry, be happy and make things better ;)<br><a href="http://galvosukykla.lt/" target="_blank">http://galvosukykla.lt</a></div>
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