<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small"><br></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Mon, Jul 9, 2018 at 8:18 AM Aivar Annamaa <<a href="mailto:aivar.annamaa@ut.ee">aivar.annamaa@ut.ee</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Hi!</p>
<p>I just found an educational Python IDE nobody hasn't mention yet
-- TigerJython: <a class="gmail-m_1610082338610900041moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://jython.tobiaskohn.ch/index.html" target="_blank">http://jython.tobiaskohn.ch/index.html</a></p></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">
<div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Thank you very much for this. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">For those that look at the available links and do not pursue further because they appear to point to resources written in German, note that some documents are available in English (and French) in addition to German. For example: <a href="http://www.tigerjython.com/engl/index.php">http://www.tigerjython.com/engl/index.php</a></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I have not tried it yet. Reading the description, I like the fact that it appears to be a self-contained environment (like Thonny and Mu) that include nice simplified tracebacks and other features useful for beginners.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">I note that it adds to standard Python a special repeat syntax</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">repeat n:</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"> # block of code</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">which is something I also support on Reeborg's World. I suggested such an addition for standard Python on the Python-ideas list but it was quickly shut down (and I don't disagree with the rationale given - but I still think it is something very useful in an environment designed for beginners).</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">It is possible to implement something like this in standard Python using import hooks (as I reported some time ago on this list), but it is not exactly easy. (I may have more to say on this soon.)</div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">André</div>
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Here is author's PhD thesis:
<a class="gmail-m_1610082338610900041moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://tobiaskohn.ch/files/Dissertation_TKohn.pdf" target="_blank">https://tobiaskohn.ch/files/Dissertation_TKohn.pdf</a></p>
<p>best regards,<br>
Aivar<br>
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<div class="gmail-m_1610082338610900041moz-cite-prefix">03.07.2018 17:27 Andre Roberge
kirjutas:<br>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Hi
everyone,</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I'm
compiling a list of available editors for Python designed
specifically for teaching, with information about the primary
targeted audiences and would welcome your comments and/or
suggestions for additions or corrections. So far, I have</div>
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<div style="text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">Target
audience (my own draft definition; feel free to improve upon
this):</div>
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young learners (elementary and high school students)</div>
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hobbyists - beginners of all ages learning on their own</div>
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CS 100 course: elective course targeted at non CS (or even
non STEM) students. The focus is more on concepts, using
Python as the practical tool to learn these concepts, rather
than learning the Pythonic idioms or learning the
effectiveness of various algorithms. For example, list
comprehensions would likely not be covered in such a course
as it does not add anything conceptually to an explicit for
loop.</div>
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CS 101 course: core course in CS meant as a requirement for
future courses. Some pythonic idioms and details about
algorithms would likely be covered.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Editors
/ IDEs :<br>
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IDLE: included with Python. Intended for everyone. </div>
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Mu (<a href="https://codewith.mu/" target="_blank">https://codewith.mu/</a>).
Primarily intended for young learners and hobbyists.</div>
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Thonny. (<a href="http://thonny.org/" target="_blank">http://thonny.org/</a>)
I am guessing that it is primarily intended for CS 101. </div>
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Wing 101 (<a href="https://wingware.com/downloads/wingide-101" target="_blank">https://wingware.com/downloads/wingide-101</a>)
Primarily intended for CS 101.</div>
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PyCharm Edu (<a href="https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm-edu/" target="_blank">https://www.jetbrains.com/pycharm-edu/</a>)
Primarily intended for CS 101.</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">I
am not looking for web-based solutions [otherwise, I would
have had included Reeborg's World ;-)] and do not want to
include obsolete or no longer maintained software (like
rur-ple, the precursor to Reeborg's World.)</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">Best,</div>
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<div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif;font-size:small">André</div>
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