From regebro at gmail.com  Tue May 13 17:11:36 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Tue, 13 May 2008 17:11:36 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Hans Roslings keynote.
Message-ID: <319e029f0805130811mb8e7272hdeeb5e9f23bfd200@mail.gmail.com>

Somebody more closely involved with the organisation in Vilnius need
to take over contact with Hans Rosling, as I don't know any details.
Raise a hand!

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From faassen at startifact.com  Wed May 14 19:15:13 2008
From: faassen at startifact.com (Martijn Faassen)
Date: Wed, 14 May 2008 19:15:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] sad news about Joachim Schmitz
Message-ID: <g0f6mt$c8b$2@ger.gmane.org>

Hi there,

Joachim Schmitz, long-standing member of the Zope and Python 
communities, died last weekend. Please see the following:

http://faassen.n--tree.net/blog/view/weblog/2008/05/14/0

Regards,

Martijn


From aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com  Thu May 15 09:16:30 2008
From: aiste.kesminaite at gmail.com (=?ISO-8859-13?Q?Aist=EB_Kesminait=EB?=)
Date: Thu, 15 May 2008 10:16:30 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] Hans Roslings keynote.
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805130811mb8e7272hdeeb5e9f23bfd200@mail.gmail.com>
References: <319e029f0805130811mb8e7272hdeeb5e9f23bfd200@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2d1f92950805150016w7214556ara13b03f06ebbb59e@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,



On Tue, May 13, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Lennart Regebro <regebro at gmail.com> wrote:

> Somebody more closely involved with the organisation in Vilnius need
> to take over contact with Hans Rosling, as I don't know any details.
> Raise a hand!
>

That would be me I guess :)
What needs to be done?

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Programmers of Vilnius
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From inkem2008 at yahoo.com  Sun May 18 12:25:57 2008
From: inkem2008 at yahoo.com (anyi thomas)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 03:25:57 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] HOW TO REGISTER AS AN ON THE DOOR PLAN
Message-ID: <47678.53371.qm@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>

Hello,

I wanted to register for the europython conference
coming up on the july 7th to 12th 2008,as ON THE DOOR
payment plan. Unfortunately i couldnt find the
location of doing so.
Could you please direct me on how to do so. Because i
have already booked for a room at the CROWNE PLAZA VILINIUS.


      

From funthyme at gmail.com  Sun May 18 19:48:56 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Sun, 18 May 2008 18:48:56 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] HOW TO REGISTER AS AN ON THE DOOR PLAN
In-Reply-To: <47678.53371.qm@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
References: <47678.53371.qm@web31915.mail.mud.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805181048m669a65cep653418d690809a70@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Anyi,

2008/5/18 anyi thomas <inkem2008 at yahoo.com>:
> Hello,
>
> I wanted to register for the europython conference
> coming up on the july 7th to 12th 2008,as ON THE DOOR
> payment plan. Unfortunately i couldnt find the
> location of doing so.
> Could you please direct me on how to do so. Because i
> have already booked for a room at the CROWNE PLAZA VILINIUS.

I assume that you wish to pay by cash and cannot pay by credit or
debit card or bank transfer. (Handling cash at the conference is
something we'd rather not do unless absolutely necessary, so if you
possibly can please pay by card or transfer,)

If card or transfer is not possible for you, book your place using the
registration system at http://registration.europython.eu, then from
the checkout you select 'Cash' payment.. The registration process will
then complete normally.

Looking forward to seeing you in Vilnius!

Best wishes,

John
--
John Pinner

From mistobaan at gmail.com  Mon May 19 14:07:28 2008
From: mistobaan at gmail.com (Fabrizio Milo aka misto)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2008 14:07:28 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Student Registration
Message-ID: <e437f2f0805190507q3902edex210c6008b782fb8d@mail.gmail.com>

Hi,

I am a 26 year old Computer Science Ms. Student, and I was wondering:
I am still eligible for the the Student fare?

I will be in Vilnius from the first of July probably and it would be
nice too meet someone from there :)
Write me if you are interested in sharing ideas before the conference!
my email: mistobaan at gmail.com

Thanks!

Fabrizio
--------------------------
Luck favors the prepared mind. (Pasteur)

From lac at openend.se  Tue May 20 12:35:59 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 12:35:59 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Student Registration
In-Reply-To: Message from "Fabrizio Milo aka misto" <mistobaan@gmail.com> 
	of "Mon, 19 May 2008 14:07:28 +0200."
	<e437f2f0805190507q3902edex210c6008b782fb8d@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <e437f2f0805190507q3902edex210c6008b782fb8d@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805201035.m4KAZxKR024048@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Mon, 19 May 2008 14:07:28 +0200, "Fabrizio Milo aka misto" writes
:
>Hi,
>
>I am a 26 year old Computer Science Ms. Student, and I was wondering:
>I am still eligible for the the Student fare?

Yes.

>I will be in Vilnius from the first of July probably and it would be
>nice too meet someone from there :)
>Write me if you are interested in sharing ideas before the conference!
>my email: mistobaan at gmail.com
>
>Thanks!
>
>Fabrizio

Laura Creighton

From regebro at gmail.com  Tue May 20 19:51:04 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Tue, 20 May 2008 19:51:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Are you looking for a talk subject? I'm giving one
	away! :)
Message-ID: <319e029f0805201051y7d7d8275s1459b2c4fd375668@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not going to EuroPython this year, which is a shame, because I
know exactly what I should talk about: Not being scared of Python 3.0,
and that the incompatibilities aren't so big and scary that has been
said.

So if you want to talk at EuroPython, but don't know what to talk
about, I'm giving this potential talk to you! :-)

The talk could be about how much of the changes between 2.x and 3.0
only are a problem if you are writing bad 2.x code, examples of some
incompatibilities that are tricky to get around, and examples of how
to write code that runs under 2.6 and 3.0, and examples of cases where
you can't run the same code under 2.6 and 3.0 but have to use 2to3 or
have separate code bases (or abandon 2.6).

Should be enough for an informative 30 minute talk, I think. Up for
grabs! Mail me at regebro at gmail.com if you are interested. Deadline is
Thursday (yes, the day after tomorrow), so hurry up!

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From david at boddie.org.uk  Wed May 21 00:45:04 2008
From: david at boddie.org.uk (David Boddie)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 00:45:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Are you looking for a talk subject? I'm giving one
	away! :)
Message-ID: <200805210045.05026.david@boddie.org.uk>

On Tue May 20 19:51:04 CEST 2008, Lennart Regebro wrote:

> Should be enough for an informative 30 minute talk, I think. Up for
> grabs! Mail me at regebro at gmail.com if you are interested. Deadline is
> Thursday (yes, the day after tomorrow), so hurry up!

And if that one's already taken, there are plenty of other ideas here:

  http://www.europython.org/Talk%20Suggestions

David :-)

From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:03:00 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 13:03:00 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>

We are booking the venue for EP2009 in Birmingham, UK. We have to do
this soon as the venues get booked up rather earlier than in Vilnius!

Traditionally EuroPython is held one week in July, Monday to
Wednesday.  Tradition has more to do with cheapness (Universities
having vacations) than anything else.

Another option would be to have EP in September, over a weekend, for
example Friday to Sunday.

There would be no difference in cost.

Please give us your opinion...

Thanks,

John
--
John Pinner

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 21 14:45:02 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 14:45:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805210545m3ae297b3m59d5b7eff37e84db@mail.gmail.com>

John,

> Traditionally EuroPython is held one week in July, Monday to
> Wednesday.  Tradition has more to do with cheapness (Universities
> having vacations) than anything else.

Never change a running system :) If there is no compelling reason to
change, I suggest we stay with "one week in July".

Harald


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From mal at egenix.com  Wed May 21 18:07:22 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:07:22 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805210545m3ae297b3m59d5b7eff37e84db@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805210545m3ae297b3m59d5b7eff37e84db@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483448BA.3060206@egenix.com>

On 2008-05-21 14:45, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> John,
> 
>> Traditionally EuroPython is held one week in July, Monday to
>> Wednesday.  Tradition has more to do with cheapness (Universities
>> having vacations) than anything else.
> 
> Never change a running system :) If there is no compelling reason to
> change, I suggest we stay with "one week in July".

+1

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From lac at openend.se  Wed May 21 18:20:10 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:20:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Wed,
	21 May 2008 13:03:00 BST."
	<ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Wed, 21 May 2008 13:03:00 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>We are booking the venue for EP2009 in Birmingham, UK. We have to do
>this soon as the venues get booked up rather earlier than in Vilnius!
>
>Traditionally EuroPython is held one week in July, Monday to
>Wednesday.  Tradition has more to do with cheapness (Universities
>having vacations) than anything else.
>
>Another option would be to have EP in September, over a weekend, for
>example Friday to Sunday.
>
>There would be no difference in cost.
>
>Please give us your opinion...
>
>Thanks,
>
>John
>--
>John Pinner

Ah, its not 'Monday to Wednesday'.  Those are only the times 
when we have the talks.  But the days of sprinting are very much
part of Europython.  So I don't think that a weekend is going to
be long enough.

I'd be happier if Europython was in September, rather than July.

Is getting a week in September an option?

Laura

From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed May 21 19:08:06 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 18:08:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
References: <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/21 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
> In a message of Wed, 21 May 2008 13:03:00 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>>We are booking the venue for EP2009 in Birmingham, UK. We have to do
>>this soon as the venues get booked up rather earlier than in Vilnius!
>>
>>Traditionally EuroPython is held one week in July, Monday to
>>Wednesday.  Tradition has more to do with cheapness (Universities
>>having vacations) than anything else.
>>
>>Another option would be to have EP in September, over a weekend, for
>>example Friday to Sunday.
>>
>>There would be no difference in cost.
>>
>>Please give us your opinion...
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>John
>>--
>>John Pinner
>
> Ah, its not 'Monday to Wednesday'.  Those are only the times
> when we have the talks.

Yes, that's how we advertise EP 2008, 7th-9th July.

> But the days of sprinting are very much
> part of Europython.  So I don't think that a weekend is going to
> be long enough.

No, but if we were to have the core talks over the weekend it could
possible maximise the community involvement.

> I'd be happier if Europython was in September, rather than July.

Personally I'd prefer July, if only because we tend to take our
holiday (if we have one, that is ;) in September.

> Is getting a week in September an option?

I have July booked provisionally, for both talks and dinner: Almost
certainly we could change this to September.

I thought that it would be best to ask the list first before
finalising the booking, as I know some people like September.

And in the light of recent experience on another subject, I thought
let's be explicit and ask, rather than assume implicitly that the
status quo is what people prefer!

As July has become traditional by default, it's generally known when
EP will be, so other conferences know to plan around it.

So far, it looks like:  July 3 votes, September 1+

John
--

From regebro at gmail.com  Wed May 21 19:32:30 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 19:32:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Are you looking for a talk subject? I'm giving one
	away! :)
In-Reply-To: <200805210045.05026.david@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200805210045.05026.david@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805211032wb17e47ak3e0bca728f70bb72@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 12:45 AM, David Boddie <david at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Tue May 20 19:51:04 CEST 2008, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>
>> Should be enough for an informative 30 minute talk, I think. Up for
>> grabs! Mail me at regebro at gmail.com if you are interested. Deadline is
>> Thursday (yes, the day after tomorrow), so hurry up!
>
> And if that one's already taken, there are plenty of other ideas here:
>
>  http://www.europython.org/Talk%20Suggestions

Nope, not take, and I should explain: The example code for this exists
so the talk is already half written. :-)

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From lac at openend.se  Wed May 21 20:56:10 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 20:56:10 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Wed,
	21 May 2008 18:08:06 BST."
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Wed, 21 May 2008 18:08:06 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>2008/5/21 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
>> Ah, its not 'Monday to Wednesday'.  Those are only the times
>> when we have the talks.
>
>Yes, that's how we advertise EP 2008, 7th-9th July.

Hmmm.  Maybe that is a mistake.  Something to discuss with a lot of
people at EuroPython.

>> But the days of sprinting are very much
>> part of Europython.  So I don't think that a weekend is going to
>> be long enough.
>
>No, but if we were to have the core talks over the weekend it could
>possible maximise the community involvement.

This is tricky.  I'm not sure if the number of people who cannot
get off work but would attend on the weekend is greater than the
number of people who have families and other reasons to not
'waste' their precious weekends at conferences.   Does anybody
know any studies of that?

>
>> I'd be happier if Europython was in September, rather than July.
>
>Personally I'd prefer July, if only because we tend to take our
>holiday (if we have one, that is ;) in September.
>
>> Is getting a week in September an option?
>
>I have July booked provisionally, for both talks and dinner: Almost
>certainly we could change this to September.

But for a whole week, not just a weekend, correct?

>I thought that it would be best to ask the list first before
>finalising the booking, as I know some people like September.
>
>And in the light of recent experience on another subject, I thought
>let's be explicit and ask, rather than assume implicitly that the
>status quo is what people prefer!
>
>As July has become traditional by default, it's generally known when
>EP will be, so other conferences know to plan around it.
>
>So far, it looks like:  July 3 votes, September 1+
>
>John

It's early. :-)  

Laura


From regebro at gmail.com  Wed May 21 21:05:56 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 21:05:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 8:56 PM, Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se> wrote:
>>Yes, that's how we advertise EP 2008, 7th-9th July.
>
> Hmmm.  Maybe that is a mistake.  Something to discuss with a lot of
> people at EuroPython.

I think so, loads of people seem to regard the sprinting as something
you can do the day after when you wait for your plane. I think all
conference days should be advertised as such.

> This is tricky.  I'm not sure if the number of people who cannot
> get off work but would attend on the weekend is greater than the
> number of people who have families and other reasons to not
> 'waste' their precious weekends at conferences.   Does anybody
> know any studies of that?

PyCon does it on the weekend, but that's US. My feeling is that
EuroPython has a smaller percentage of hobbyists, but that could be
because it isn't on a weekend, as well as a reason not to have it on a
weekend. :-)

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From jacob at openend.se  Wed May 21 22:17:20 2008
From: jacob at openend.se (Jacob =?utf-8?q?Hall=C3=A9n?=)
Date: Wed, 21 May 2008 22:17:20 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship brochure
Message-ID: <200805212217.20302.jacob@openend.se>

Hi everyone,

I am finally caught up when it comes to getting sponsorship running. The 
brochure is ready, very much thanks to David Boddie, who layouted a nice PDF 
brochure from my texts. I have sent information to the people who have 
already contaced us concerning sponsorship.

I would like the brochure to be downloadable from the sponsorship webpage of 
the website, but I don't know how to make that happen. I hope that one of the 
web wizards will be able to.

Then I would like everyone who knows a company that they think might be 
interested in sponsorship to either tell me where to send an email, or send 
them the brochure themselves. I have a list of my own for companies that I 
will be contacting in the next few days.

Jacob
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From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 22 01:52:54 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 00:52:54 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

2008/5/21 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
> In a message of Wed, 21 May 2008 18:08:06 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>>2008/5/21 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
>>> Ah, its not 'Monday to Wednesday'.  Those are only the times
>>> when we have the talks.
>>
>>Yes, that's how we advertise EP 2008, 7th-9th July.
>
> Hmmm.  Maybe that is a mistake.  Something to discuss with a lot of
> people at EuroPython.

On the other hand, if we said it was a whole week event, many people
who cannot afford the time for a whole week would be put off booking
at the outset.

>>> But the days of sprinting are very much
>>> part of Europython.  So I don't think that a weekend is going to
>>> be long enough.
>>
>>No, but if we were to have the core talks over the weekend it could
>>possible maximise the community involvement.
>
> This is tricky.  I'm not sure if the number of people who cannot
> get off work but would attend on the weekend is greater than the
> number of people who have families and other reasons to not
> 'waste' their precious weekends at conferences.   Does anybody
> know any studies of that?

>From what I have seen, a weekend event (providing it's low cost)
increases the local attendance, for people travelling from other
countries, it probably does not make any difference.

As far as EP 2009 is concerned, the location of the venue in the
city's night life area means that a weekday conference
(Monday-Wednesday, plus sprints) is easier - at the weekend we have
the clubbers to compete with for evening social events.

>>
>>> I'd be happier if Europython was in September, rather than July.
>>
>>Personally I'd prefer July, if only because we tend to take our
>>holiday (if we have one, that is ;) in September.
>>
>>> Is getting a week in September an option?
>>
>>I have July booked provisionally, for both talks and dinner: Almost
>>certainly we could change this to September.
>
> But for a whole week, not just a weekend, correct?

I have booked (provisionally) the main conference facilities for
Monday, Tuesday, Wednesday, and the dinner for Tuesday.  The main
rooms comprise a 520 seat auditorium, 170 seat and 120 seat rooms.

We wouldn't want to book the main hall for the whole week, I presume,
and we can book sufficient rooms for sprinting (Thursday./Friday) once
we have finalised the main booking.

>>I thought that it would be best to ask the list first before
>>finalising the booking, as I know some people like September.
>>
>>And in the light of recent experience on another subject, I thought
>>let's be explicit and ask, rather than assume implicitly that the
>>status quo is what people prefer!
>>
>>As July has become traditional by default, it's generally known when
>>EP will be, so other conferences know to plan around it.
>>
>>So far, it looks like:  July 3 votes, September 1+
>>
>>John
>
> It's early. :-)

Except that we will need to confirm the booking soon.

John
--

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Thu May 22 09:57:51 2008
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 09:57:51 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
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	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>

On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> PyCon does it on the weekend, but that's US. My feeling is that
> EuroPython has a smaller percentage of hobbyists, but that could be
> because it isn't on a weekend, as well as a reason not to have it on a
> weekend. :-)

For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 22 11:22:07 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:22:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805220222q3952ff4es3be71444916b9de5@mail.gmail.com>

Nicolas,

> For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
> week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.

Thank you very much! I guess that really points out an essential
difference of a European conference to an US conference. The spirit of
France and Italy; or more exactly, the different spirits of the
diverse Europe is an asset we ought to enjoy.

Harald

-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:15:06 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:15:06 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805220315s7ddfb97es419735ad52021039@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/22 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>:
> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>> PyCon does it on the weekend, but that's US. My feeling is that
>> EuroPython has a smaller percentage of hobbyists, but that could be
>> because it isn't on a weekend, as well as a reason not to have it on a
>> weekend. :-)
>
> For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
> week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.

But you work in a Python-friendly company (because you founded it!)

There are a lot of people who are trapped in jobs where they're unable
to use Python and/or other FLOSS systems. Their employers won't
support them in coming to events like EP and PyCon, so a weekend event
is quite attractive to them.

But I agree that EuroPython is probably best held during

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:18:19 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:18:19 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805220315s7ddfb97es419735ad52021039@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
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Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/22 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
> 2008/5/22 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>:
>> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
>>> PyCon does it on the weekend, but that's US. My feeling is that
>>> EuroPython has a smaller percentage of hobbyists, but that could be
>>> because it isn't on a weekend, as well as a reason not to have it on a
>>> weekend. :-)
>>
>> For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
>> week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.
>
> But you work in a Python-friendly company (because you founded it!)
>
> There are a lot of people who are trapped in jobs where they're unable
> to use Python and/or other FLOSS systems. Their employers won't
> support them in coming to events like EP and PyCon, so a weekend event
> is quite attractive to them.

As I was saying before I hit the wrong key:

But I agree that EuroPython is probably best held during the week.
Maybe the more local events like PyCon IT and FR are better over the
weekend.

Nicolas, as EP2008 is during the week, I hope that you will be coming
and presenting this year :)

Best wishes,

John
--

>

From regebro at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:29:43 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:29:43 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
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	<ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805220329j2fbad38aue6e42d8f19522e59@mail.gmail.com>

How about the conference being wednesday-friday? That way the two
first sprint days would be a weekend, which might get more people
interested in sprinting?

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Thu May 22 12:33:04 2008
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:33:04 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805220222q3952ff4es3be71444916b9de5@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
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	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
	<7be3f35d0805220222q3952ff4es3be71444916b9de5@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080522103304.GF28481@logilab.fr>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:22:07AM +0200, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
> Nicolas,
> 
> > For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
> > week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.
> 
> Thank you very much! I guess that really points out an essential
> difference of a European conference to an US conference. The spirit of
> France and Italy; or more exactly, the different spirits of the
> diverse Europe is an asset we ought to enjoy.

To be more precise, most of us also do some Python programming when we
are not at work... but if all events we go to where being held on
week-ends, we would have to stop working during the week to get some
days off :)

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr  Thu May 22 12:37:05 2008
From: nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr (Nicolas Chauvat)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:37:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
	<ff8a32f0805220315s7ddfb97es419735ad52021039@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <20080522103705.GG28481@logilab.fr>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 11:18:19AM +0100, John Pinner wrote:
> But I agree that EuroPython is probably best held during the week.
> Maybe the more local events like PyCon IT and FR are better over the
> weekend.

I understand that. I was just stating *my* opinion.

> Nicolas, as EP2008 is during the week, I hope that you will be coming
> and presenting this year :)

I submitted a talk proposal. We will see if it is accepted ;)

BTW, fr.pycon.org was held last week-end and it was nice.

-- 
Nicolas Chauvat

logilab.fr - services en informatique scientifique et gestion de connaissances  

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:44:05 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 11:44:05 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805220329j2fbad38aue6e42d8f19522e59@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<319e029f0805211205l33490f25jba7ea3a93acc2940@mail.gmail.com>
	<20080522075751.GB28481@logilab.fr>
	<ff8a32f0805220315s7ddfb97es419735ad52021039@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805220318h50b59c16k19423c57cdf88689@mail.gmail.com>
	<319e029f0805220329j2fbad38aue6e42d8f19522e59@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805220344q487d2277ndb7ac237f8d0eaee@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/22 Lennart Regebro <regebro at gmail.com>:
> How about the conference being wednesday-friday? That way the two
> first sprint days would be a weekend, which might get more people
> interested in sprinting?

Good idea, but for EP2009 maybe not so good, from my earlier post:

"""
As far as EP 2009 is concerned, the location of the venue in the
city's night life area means that a weekday conference
(Monday-Wednesday, plus sprints) is easier - at the weekend we have
the clubbers to compete with for evening social events.
"""

John
--

From regebro at gmail.com  Thu May 22 12:58:13 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 12:58:13 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805220344q487d2277ndb7ac237f8d0eaee@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
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	<319e029f0805220329j2fbad38aue6e42d8f19522e59@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805220344q487d2277ndb7ac237f8d0eaee@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805220358s6c731263g1f0aa57927ed6397@mail.gmail.com>

On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM, John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com> wrote:
> As far as EP 2009 is concerned, the location of the venue in the
> city's night life area means that a weekday conference
> (Monday-Wednesday, plus sprints) is easier - at the weekend we have
> the clubbers to compete with for evening social events.

Social events? People are supposed to sprint dammit! :-)

-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 22 14:01:35 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 13:01:35 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805220358s6c731263g1f0aa57927ed6397@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805220501j587672f5y57901e4e084774d2@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/22 Lennart Regebro <regebro at gmail.com>:
> On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM, John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com> wrote:
>> As far as EP 2009 is concerned, the location of the venue in the
>> city's night life area means that a weekday conference
>> (Monday-Wednesday, plus sprints) is easier - at the weekend we have
>> the clubbers to compete with for evening social events.
>
> Social events? People are supposed to sprint dammit! :-)

Well, for some people the social events are very serious business ;)

John
--

From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com  Thu May 22 17:25:05 2008
From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 17:25:05 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython]  EuroPython 2009 Dates
Message-ID: <94cd06880805220825sf4282e4ke9e4ff258b1f0027@mail.gmail.com>

>
> 2008/5/22 John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>:
> > 2008/5/22 Nicolas Chauvat <nicolas.chauvat at logilab.fr>:
> >> On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 09:05:56PM +0200, Lennart Regebro wrote:
> >>> PyCon does it on the weekend, but that's US. My feeling is that
> >>> EuroPython has a smaller percentage of hobbyists, but that could be
> >>> because it isn't on a weekend, as well as a reason not to have it on a
> >>> weekend. :-)
> >>
> >> For us, EuroPython is work and we try very hard not to work on
> >> week-ends and enjoy the non-pythonic life instead.
> >
> > But you work in a Python-friendly company (because you founded it!)
> >
> > There are a lot of people who are trapped in jobs where they're unable
> > to use Python and/or other FLOSS systems. Their employers won't
> > support them in coming to events like EP and PyCon, so a weekend event
> > is quite attractive to them.
>

I do agree with John. Pycon Italy could never be during the week... Most
people here in italy work on *python-friendly* companies and would never
come outside weekends. This year we tryied to have the opening on friday and
we had less then the half presence.

I also agree that EP has a smaller percentage of hobbists and i feel very
confortable that the main reason is that it's during the week and not on
weekends. Personally i thinks that mixing in-week and weekend days would
catch more attendees, but maybe it's not the main purpose.

2008/5/22 Lennart Regebro <regebro at gmail.com>:
> > On Thu, May 22, 2008 at 12:44 PM, John Pinner <funthyme at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> As far as EP 2009 is concerned, the location of the venue in the
> >> city's night life area means that a weekday conference
> >> (Monday-Wednesday, plus sprints) is easier - at the weekend we have
> >> the clubbers to compete with for evening social events.
> >
> > Social events? People are supposed to sprint dammit! :-)
>
> Well, for some people the social events are very serious business ;)
>


Hey! Don't play with the social events!!! :)
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From lac at openend.se  Thu May 22 18:14:31 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 22 May 2008 18:14:31 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Thu,
	22 May 2008 00:52:54 BST."
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In a message of Thu, 22 May 2008 00:52:54 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
<snip>
>>>John
>>
>> It's early. :-)
>
>Except that we will need to confirm the booking soon.
>
>John

I just meant that it was early to say if the 'keep in July'er' outvote
me, the 'I like Septemeberer'. :-)  with only 4 votes in. <wink>

Laura


From me at andy.durdin.net  Mon May 26 23:55:57 2008
From: me at andy.durdin.net (Andrew Durdin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 22:55:57 +0100 (BST)
Subject: [EuroPython] Sharing a twin room
Message-ID: <11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org>

Hi all,

I'm coming to EuroPython this year, and am looking for someone to share a twin hotel room with in order to keep costs down.  To tell you a little about myself:  I'm a 28-year-old Australian male, and a keen Python programmer (of course ;)

So if you'd be up for sharing a twin room with me, please get in touch.

Cheers,

Andrew.



From me at andy.durdin.net  Tue May 27 00:30:59 2008
From: me at andy.durdin.net (Andrew Durdin)
Date: Mon, 26 May 2008 23:30:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Sharing a twin room
In-Reply-To: <11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org>
References: <11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org>
Message-ID: <5535D41B-30E8-45F5-BAF1-4004625F1846@andy.durdin.net>

Forgot to say that I'm arriving on the 5th and leaving on the 12th, so  
the more overlap the better. Also, I'm a non-smoker.

Cheers,

Andrew.

On 26 May 2008, at 22:55, Andrew Durdin <me at andy.durdin.net> wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I'm coming to EuroPython this year, and am looking for someone to  
> share a twin hotel room with in order to keep costs down.  To tell  
> you a little about myself:  I'm a 28-year-old Australian male, and a  
> keen Python programmer (of course ;)
>
> So if you'd be up for sharing a twin room with me, please get in  
> touch.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Andrew.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython

From jacob at openend.se  Sun May 25 23:46:26 2008
From: jacob at openend.se (Jacob =?utf-8?q?Hall=C3=A9n?=)
Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:46:26 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
Message-ID: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>

Hi!

I'd like to report on the status of sponsorships.

We have inquiries from Google and one other company about regular sponsorship 
deals. We have 3 non-regular deals that I plan to negotiate to gift 
sponsorships or low cost money paid deals. They are all 3 old supporters of 
EuroPython and I think it is good policy to recognize their earlier 
commitments.

I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors of 
Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I 
also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.

I will dig up a few addresses more - mostly Swedish companies that would be 
interested. This is very time consuming work, so I won't be able to find a 
whole lot of them. I would be happy if people provided me with email 
addresses to send offers to. I have a nice Python script that does bulk 
mailing for me, so getting the messages out is quite easy.

If there are registers of sponsors or people approached for EuroPython 2006 
and 2007, I would be grateful for those.

Jacob

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue May 27 08:29:47 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 08:29:47 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805262329i7fc8b1b8j51407aaf29c1522@mail.gmail.com>

> I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors >of Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I
> also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.

> I will dig up a few addresses more - mostly Swedish companies that would

Does anybody know Jim Hug* of IronPython fame in person? I think it
would be a nice gesture to also give Microsoft the opportunity to
sponsor EuroPython, as they are one of the publishers of a Python
version.

Also: who has contacts into Amazon and Yahoo? It would be only fair to
also give their staffers the sponsorship opportunity.

best wishes,

Harald


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Harald Armin Massa
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-
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From mal at egenix.com  Tue May 27 11:30:49 2008
From: mal at egenix.com (M.-A. Lemburg)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:30:49 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805262329i7fc8b1b8j51407aaf29c1522@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<7be3f35d0805262329i7fc8b1b8j51407aaf29c1522@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <483BD4C9.20308@egenix.com>

On 2008-05-27 08:29, Harald Armin Massa wrote:
>> I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors >of Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I
>> also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.
> 
>> I will dig up a few addresses more - mostly Swedish companies that would
> 
> Does anybody know Jim Hug* of IronPython fame in person? I think it
> would be a nice gesture to also give Microsoft the opportunity to
> sponsor EuroPython, as they are one of the publishers of a Python
> version.
> 
> Also: who has contacts into Amazon and Yahoo? It would be only fair to
> also give their staffers the sponsorship opportunity.

Perhaps Skype would also like to do a second conference (like they
did with PyCon Italy).

AFAIK, their main programming center is in Estonia, so in a way
"local" to EuroPython this year :-)

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From regebro at gmail.com  Tue May 27 11:54:53 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:54:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>

Are there any fixed sponsorship deals? I couldn't find anything on the
website? It makes it easier to plug sponsorship if companies know what
they are getting. :)

On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Jacob Hall?n <jacob at openend.se> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'd like to report on the status of sponsorships.
>
> We have inquiries from Google and one other company about regular sponsorship
> deals. We have 3 non-regular deals that I plan to negotiate to gift
> sponsorships or low cost money paid deals. They are all 3 old supporters of
> EuroPython and I think it is good policy to recognize their earlier
> commitments.
>
> I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors of
> Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I
> also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.
>
> I will dig up a few addresses more - mostly Swedish companies that would be
> interested. This is very time consuming work, so I won't be able to find a
> whole lot of them. I would be happy if people provided me with email
> addresses to send offers to. I have a nice Python script that does bulk
> mailing for me, so getting the messages out is quite easy.
>
> If there are registers of sponsors or people approached for EuroPython 2006
> and 2007, I would be grateful for those.
>
> Jacob
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>



-- 
Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
http://www.colliberty.com/
+33 661 58 14 64

From fabio.pliger at s3srl.com  Tue May 27 15:09:39 2008
From: fabio.pliger at s3srl.com (Fabio Pliger)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:09:39 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython]  Sponsorship
Message-ID: <94cd06880805270609y74a96f6el861baa0ba636327e@mail.gmail.com>

>
> Message: 3
> Date: Sun, 25 May 2008 23:46:26 +0200
> From: Jacob Hall?n <jacob at openend.se>
> Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
> To: europython at python.org
> Message-ID: <200805252346.26646.jacob at openend.se>
> Content-Type: text/plain;  charset="utf-8"
>
> Hi!
>
> I'd like to report on the status of sponsorships.
>
> We have inquiries from Google and one other company about regular
> sponsorship
> deals. We have 3 non-regular deals that I plan to negotiate to gift
> sponsorships or low cost money paid deals. They are all 3 old supporters of
> EuroPython and I think it is good policy to recognize their earlier
> commitments.
>
> I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors
> of
> Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I
> also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.


Jacob what are the Pycon Italy that you are missing? I can try and search
them for you...
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From lac at openend.se  Tue May 27 15:29:54 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:29:54 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sharing a twin room
In-Reply-To: Message from Andrew Durdin <me@andy.durdin.net> of "Mon,
	26 May 2008 22:55:57 BST."
	<11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org> 
References: <11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org> 
Message-ID: <200805271329.m4RDTsm1021847@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Mon, 26 May 2008 22:55:57 BST, Andrew Durdin writes:
>Hi all,
>
>I'm coming to EuroPython this year, and am looking for someone to share a
> twin hotel room with in order to keep costs down.  To tell you a little 
>about myself:  I'm a 28-year-old Australian male, and a keen Python progr
>ammer (of course ;)
>
>So if you'd be up for sharing a twin room with me, please get in touch.
>
>Cheers,
>
>Andrew.

Post what days you will be in town, ok?  Makes it easier for sharing.

Laura


From patanisca at gmail.com  Tue May 27 16:43:14 2008
From: patanisca at gmail.com (Guilherme Lopes)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 14:43:14 +0000
Subject: [EuroPython] Sharing a twin room
In-Reply-To: <200805271329.m4RDTsm1021847@theraft.openend.se>
References: <me@andy.durdin.net>
	<11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org>
	<200805271329.m4RDTsm1021847@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <fdbbbf090805270743s277c11f2yd69d734f2a925770@mail.gmail.com>

Hi all,

It would be a lot better if everyone put their info on this page:

http://www.europython.org/RoomSharing

cheers,

Guilherme

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Tue May 27 20:07:34 2008
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:07:34 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805272007.34727.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Tuesday 27 May 2008 11:54:53 Lennart Regebro wrote:
> Are there any fixed sponsorship deals? I couldn't find anything on the
> website? It makes it easier to plug sponsorship if companies know what
> they are getting. :)

See the brochure on this page:

http://www.europython.org/Sponsorship

Paul

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Tue May 27 20:08:47 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 11:08:47 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>

I've had a long talk with Jim over beer, old OSCON, also Alan Runyan
of Enfold.Plone and I hung out for a few days in Canada, goofing off
some, but I saw serious work happening (sheesh guy's fast in vi !).

But now Jim and I just pass each other in the halls, said "Hi" to Alan
in Chicago.

Not boasting my social skills obviously, but I am seconding the idea
the Microsoft might be pleased for an invitation to sponsor, doesn't
mean Euros can't stay militantly anti-patent or whatever.

OSCON gets big MSFT support and we're as virulently GPLish as ever.
Conoco-Phillips gave a good talk in Vilnius last time (they use Python
to run Ekofisk among other things).

What's the equivalent of Industrial Light and Magic in Europe?

The reason a lot of companies sponsor is they're looking to hire.  The
demand for Pythonistas and Pythoneers in the US is quite high right
now, judging from my last Pycon experience, plus a "boom times"
mentality more generally in high tech.

Kirby

On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 2:54 AM, Lennart Regebro <regebro at gmail.com> wrote:
> Are there any fixed sponsorship deals? I couldn't find anything on the
> website? It makes it easier to plug sponsorship if companies know what
> they are getting. :)
>
> On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 11:46 PM, Jacob Hall?n <jacob at openend.se> wrote:
>> Hi!
>>
>> I'd like to report on the status of sponsorships.
>>
>> We have inquiries from Google and one other company about regular sponsorship
>> deals. We have 3 non-regular deals that I plan to negotiate to gift
>> sponsorships or low cost money paid deals. They are all 3 old supporters of
>> EuroPython and I think it is good policy to recognize their earlier
>> commitments.
>>
>> I have sent out emails about sponsorship opportunities to all the sponsors of
>> Pycon-fr, Pycon Italia and Pycon that I could dig up a contact place for. I
>> also sent mails to the sponsors for 2005, since I had those on file.
>>
>> I will dig up a few addresses more - mostly Swedish companies that would be
>> interested. This is very time consuming work, so I won't be able to find a
>> whole lot of them. I would be happy if people provided me with email
>> addresses to send offers to. I have a nice Python script that does bulk
>> mailing for me, so getting the messages out is quite easy.
>>
>> If there are registers of sponsors or people approached for EuroPython 2006
>> and 2007, I would be grateful for those.
>>
>> Jacob
>> _______________________________________________
>> EuroPython mailing list
>> EuroPython at python.org
>> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Lennart Regebro: Zope and Plone consulting.
> http://www.colliberty.com/
> +33 661 58 14 64
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Tue May 27 20:23:08 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 20:23:08 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805271123xe77385ej4fc4f07baec674f3@mail.gmail.com>

Kirby,

> Not boasting my social skills obviously, but I am seconding the idea
> the Microsoft might be pleased for an invitation to sponsor, doesn't
> mean Euros can't stay militantly anti-patent or whatever.
>

I especially brought up this idea to avoid being called a Google Show.
As much as I like and prefer the big G, competition is healthy esp. in
the job market :)
Can you point out the sponsorship to Jim and ask him to pass it to
someone doing this kind of stuff?

Again question to the list: who knows someone at Y and Amazon?


Harald

-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From me at andy.durdin.net  Tue May 27 23:16:29 2008
From: me at andy.durdin.net (Andrew Durdin)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 22:16:29 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Sharing a twin room
In-Reply-To: <fdbbbf090805270743s277c11f2yd69d734f2a925770@mail.gmail.com>
References: <me@andy.durdin.net>
	<11689957.6501211838957189.JavaMail.root@keenmodding.org>
	<200805271329.m4RDTsm1021847@theraft.openend.se>
	<fdbbbf090805270743s277c11f2yd69d734f2a925770@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0555165F-FEE0-4790-94C3-FCDE113B5EA2@andy.durdin.net>

On 27/05/2008, at 3:43 PM, Guilherme Lopes wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> It would be a lot better if everyone put their info on this page:
>
> http://www.europython.org/RoomSharing

That looks like an excellent idea.

Cheers,

Andrew.

From funthyme at gmail.com  Wed May 28 00:34:53 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 23:34:53 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805271123xe77385ej4fc4f07baec674f3@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805271123xe77385ej4fc4f07baec674f3@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805271534g54d9a71cx6072b5d62655dec@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/27 Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
> Kirby,
>
>> Not boasting my social skills obviously, but I am seconding the idea
>> the Microsoft might be pleased for an invitation to sponsor, doesn't
>> mean Euros can't stay militantly anti-patent or whatever.

Microsoft sponsored PyCon UK last year. They were enthusiastic and
helpful, unlike certain other large corporations.. Knowing my views on
proprietary software, it may surprise you to hear me say this.

> I especially brought up this idea to avoid being called a Google Show.
> As much as I like and prefer the big G, competition is healthy esp. in
> the job market :)

They aren't necessarily the cuddly company people would have you
believe. Any monopoly is a 'bad thing', especially when they're
collecting all that personal data.

> Can you point out the sponsorship to Jim and ask him to pass it to
> someone doing this kind of stuff?

Jim doesn't answer (read?) his emails! However we did make personal
contact at PyCon US, and his family situation is such that he plans to
make only one trip outside the US this year, so we're unlikely to get
him. I believe his one trip will be a visit Microsoft's lab at
Cambridge at some time, if that coincides with a conference there's a
possibility...

Probably the best place to get Microsoft sponsorship is with the local
MS operation, wherever that is: they will be the ones with the
marketing budget. For PyCon UK we got in touch with (relatively)
random people at MS UK until they passed us to the right person.

> Again question to the list: who knows someone at Y and Amazon?
>

Not me.

John
--

>
> Harald
>
> --
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Spielberger Stra?e 49
> 70435 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> no fx, no carrier pidgeon
> -
> EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>

From kirby.urner at gmail.com  Wed May 28 00:50:59 2008
From: kirby.urner at gmail.com (kirby urner)
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 15:50:59 -0700
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805271534g54d9a71cx6072b5d62655dec@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805271123xe77385ej4fc4f07baec674f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805271534g54d9a71cx6072b5d62655dec@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f604188c0805271550r767a1d38o73453e5a8c1a045b@mail.gmail.com>

> Microsoft sponsored PyCon UK last year. They were enthusiastic and
> helpful, unlike certain other large corporations.. Knowing my views on
> proprietary software, it may surprise you to hear me say this.
>

I'm fine with judging companies as to friendliness etc.  However, I'm not
thinking sponsors should feel bound to compete on that basis.  Some
important companies are officially "not nice" without being "evil" -- I realize
there're some nuances there (some other time maybe).

>> I especially brought up this idea to avoid being called a Google Show.
>> As much as I like and prefer the big G, competition is healthy esp. in
>> the job market :)
>
> They aren't necessarily the cuddly company people would have you
> believe. Any monopoly is a 'bad thing', especially when they're
> collecting all that personal data.

Right, "cuddly" is probably not a good word for Google, though maybe.

Think of rock bands.  They don't all win a reputation based on their
being cuddly.  Some go for shock value (not saying Google does
that).

>
>> Can you point out the sponsorship to Jim and ask him to pass it to
>> someone doing this kind of stuff?
>
> Jim doesn't answer (read?) his emails! However we did make personal
> contact at PyCon US, and his family situation is such that he plans to
> make only one trip outside the US this year, so we're unlikely to get
> him. I believe his one trip will be a visit Microsoft's lab at
> Cambridge at some time, if that coincides with a conference there's a
> possibility...

The request was to pass the invite on the Microsoft, maybe through
Jim, not to snag the guy as a speaker necessarily, I guess you weren't
really following.

Anyway, done.  We'll see what they say.  Knowing Microsoft, the
response will likely be encouraging, even if they decline.  There's a
feeling in Europe that MSFT has been too domineering and they're
sensitive to that, have to weigh sponsorship versus getting demonized.

Anyway, I'm glad IronPython and IronScheme are both CLR/DLR
languages, as that's another community we've had some tensions
with (long story, again some other time).

> Probably the best place to get Microsoft sponsorship is with the local
> MS operation, wherever that is: they will be the ones with the
> marketing budget. For PyCon UK we got in touch with (relatively)
> random people at MS UK until they passed us to the right person.
>
>> Again question to the list: who knows someone at Y and Amazon?
>>
>
> Not me.
>
> John

What's Y?  Yahoo?

Kirby Urner
4dsolutions.net
Portland, Oregon

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Wed May 28 09:13:24 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 09:13:24 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <f604188c0805271550r767a1d38o73453e5a8c1a045b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<319e029f0805270254k7a64a1c6s4960014d22319901@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0805271108q39301e3fpf1d86e9e71393f78@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805271123xe77385ej4fc4f07baec674f3@mail.gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805271534g54d9a71cx6072b5d62655dec@mail.gmail.com>
	<f604188c0805271550r767a1d38o73453e5a8c1a045b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805280013n6c1fbae7r320fa7e902bd081e@mail.gmail.com>

>>> I especially brought up this idea to avoid being called a Google Show.
>>> As much as I like and prefer the big G, competition is healthy esp. in
>>> the job market :)
>> They aren't necessarily the cuddly company people would have you
>> believe. Any monopoly is a 'bad thing', especially when they're
>> collecting all that personal data.

Agreeing totally - competition good, monopoly bad.
I prefer gmail over hotmail for ease of use and speed and geekness
appeal, not for G having the more attractive staffers or being more
cuddly.

> The request was to pass the invite on the Microsoft, maybe through
> Jim, not to snag the guy as a speaker necessarily, I guess you weren't
> really following.
> Anyway, done.  We'll see what they say.
Great! Quite sure that at least we will get referred to MSEurope

>>> Again question to the list: who knows someone at Y and Amazon?
> What's Y?  Yahoo?

Yes. I am not really sure if they can afford Pythoneers right now
competing with G, A and M, but it's only fair to provide the
opportunity.


Harald

-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From jacob at openend.se  Wed May 28 12:41:02 2008
From: jacob at openend.se (Jacob =?iso-8859-1?q?Hall=E9n?=)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 12:41:02 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] Sponsorship
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805280013n6c1fbae7r320fa7e902bd081e@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805252346.26646.jacob@openend.se>
	<f604188c0805271550r767a1d38o73453e5a8c1a045b@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805280013n6c1fbae7r320fa7e902bd081e@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <200805281241.02918.jacob@openend.se>

Microsoft in the form of their OpenSource division was in the first batch of 
invitees. They have confirmed receiving the invitation and forwarding it to 
the right person at MS.

Jacob

From ri at eeda.denso.co.jp  Thu May 29 07:24:05 2008
From: ri at eeda.denso.co.jp (ri at eeda.denso.co.jp)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 14:24:05 +0900
Subject: [EuroPython] How to get all the variables in a python shell
Message-ID: <1D61C8BB5122A54798F01ABBFC3E613D071F23E3@eed8s05.eeda.denso.co.jp>

Hi! 
 
I'm currently working on a scientific computation software built in python.
What I want to implement is a Matlab style command window <-> workspace interaction.
 
For example, you type 'a=1' in the command window, and you see a list item named 'a' in the workspace.
You double click the icon of the item, and you see its value. You can modify the value of the list item,
1 -> 100 etc,  after which if you go back to the command window and type 'a'  and press enter, you see that
varable a's value has been changed to 100. 
 
So my question is : if you have two DOS command windows running under WINDOWS OS, how can you make 
them share the same internal variable buffer? Or is there any easier way to implemente such kind of interaction?
 
I'm looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance!
 
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From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 29 08:25:21 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 08:25:21 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] How to get all the variables in a python shell
In-Reply-To: <1D61C8BB5122A54798F01ABBFC3E613D071F23E3@eed8s05.eeda.denso.co.jp>
References: <1D61C8BB5122A54798F01ABBFC3E613D071F23E3@eed8s05.eeda.denso.co.jp>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805282325h197baa54yc1617d4319ae2ee9@mail.gmail.com>

Noname-san.

thank you very much for your interest in Python. This list is for the
discussion of the EuroPython conference,  Monday 7th July - Saturday
12th July at the Reval Hotel Lietuva , Vilnius, Lithuania.

You are heartly invited to come there, we are quite sure there are
lots of people there able to help.

If you need earlier progress, please move your question to
comp.lang.python, the Usenet group / mailinglist to discuss this kind
of things. Conveniently available via gmane or google news.

For a start: a common variable buffer between to processes is able via
pyprocessing; but the usual thing to do for your problem is to have a
small database, store the values there and access them from both
programms.

Harald


On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:24 AM,  <ri at eeda.denso.co.jp> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm currently working on a scientific computation software built in python.
> What I want to implement is a Matlab style command window <-> workspace
> interaction.
>
> For example, you type 'a=1' in the command window, and you see a list item
> named 'a' in the workspace.
> You double click the icon of the item, and you see its value. You can modify
> the value of the list item,
> 1 -> 100 etc,  after which if you go back to the command window and type
> 'a'  and press enter, you see that
> varable a's value has been changed to 100.
>
> So my question is : if you have two DOS command windows running under
> WINDOWS OS, how can you make
> them share the same internal variable buffer? Or is there any easier way to
> implemente such kind of interaction?
>
> I'm looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance!
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>



-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From ri at eeda.denso.co.jp  Thu May 29 08:35:30 2008
From: ri at eeda.denso.co.jp (ri at eeda.denso.co.jp)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:35:30 +0900
Subject: [EuroPython] How to get all the variables in a python shell
Message-ID: <1D61C8BB5122A54798F01ABBFC3E613D071F2607@eed8s05.eeda.denso.co.jp>

Harald:

Sorry for posting in a wrong place and thank you for your invitation. I would like to join the EuroPython conference 
if I was in Europe at that time. 

And thank your very very much for your answer to my question. A small database might be THE solution. I'll try.


Lee
 

-----Original Message-----
From: Harald Armin Massa [mailto:haraldarminmassa at gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 3:25 PM
To: ? ??
Cc: europython at python.org
Subject: Re: [EuroPython] How to get all the variables in a python shell

Noname-san.

thank you very much for your interest in Python. This list is for the discussion of the EuroPython conference,  Monday 7th July - Saturday 12th July at the Reval Hotel Lietuva , Vilnius, Lithuania.

You are heartly invited to come there, we are quite sure there are lots of people there able to help.

If you need earlier progress, please move your question to comp.lang.python, the Usenet group / mailinglist to discuss this kind of things. Conveniently available via gmane or google news.

For a start: a common variable buffer between to processes is able via pyprocessing; but the usual thing to do for your problem is to have a small database, store the values there and access them from both programms.

Harald


On Thu, May 29, 2008 at 7:24 AM,  <ri at eeda.denso.co.jp> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> I'm currently working on a scientific computation software built in python.
> What I want to implement is a Matlab style command window <-> 
> workspace interaction.
>
> For example, you type 'a=1' in the command window, and you see a list 
> item named 'a' in the workspace.
> You double click the icon of the item, and you see its value. You can 
> modify the value of the list item,
> 1 -> 100 etc,  after which if you go back to the command window and 
> type 'a'  and press enter, you see that varable a's value has been 
> changed to 100.
>
> So my question is : if you have two DOS command windows running under 
> WINDOWS OS, how can you make them share the same internal variable 
> buffer? Or is there any easier way to implemente such kind of 
> interaction?
>
> I'm looking forward to your answers. Thanks in advance!
>
> _______________________________________________
> EuroPython mailing list
> EuroPython at python.org
> http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/europython
>
>



--
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From lac at openend.se  Thu May 29 15:48:19 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 15:48:19 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] How to get all the variables in a python shell
In-Reply-To: Message from "Harald Armin Massa" <haraldarminmassa@gmail.com> 
	of "Thu, 29 May 2008 08:25:21 +0200."
	<7be3f35d0805282325h197baa54yc1617d4319ae2ee9@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <1D61C8BB5122A54798F01ABBFC3E613D071F23E3@eed8s05.eeda.denso.co.jp>
	<7be3f35d0805282325h197baa54yc1617d4319ae2ee9@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805291348.m4TDmJ4Z000993@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Thu, 29 May 2008 08:25:21 +0200, "Harald Armin Massa" writes:
>If you need earlier progress, please move your question to
>comp.lang.python, the Usenet group / mailinglist to discuss this kind
>of things. Conveniently available via gmane or google news.
>

Harald forgot to tell you how to send your question to comp.lang.python .
Mail it to python-list at python.org

To formally join the mailing list go here:
http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-list

Hope this helps,
Laura Creighton

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 29 17:47:59 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 16:47:59 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com>

Hello,

Here is something more definite about EP 2009.

2008/5/22 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
> In a message of Thu, 22 May 2008 00:52:54 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
> <snip>
>>>>John
>>>
>>> It's early. :-)
>>
>>Except that we will need to confirm the booking soon.
>>
>>John
>
> I just meant that it was early to say if the 'keep in July'er' outvote
> me, the 'I like Septemeberer'. :-)  with only 4 votes in. <wink>

OK, bearing in mind the general consensus, and what is actually
available from the venues, the best I can do is to say that

EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
July, in Birmingham UK.

I couldn't get both conference and dinner venues in September, and the
next best date of 27th July is too far into the holiday season.

Jazz fans may like to know that the 25th Birmingham International jazz
Festival takes place from 3rd to 12th July 2009, so you could stay
over and enjoy some cool music. See
http://www.birminghamjazzfestival.com

Best wishes,

John
--

From haraldarminmassa at gmail.com  Thu May 29 18:02:07 2008
From: haraldarminmassa at gmail.com (Harald Armin Massa)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:02:07 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7be3f35d0805290902n24ea2d68u5c824d68818d8d44@mail.gmail.com>

> EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
> July, in Birmingham UK.

That is really super cool! Most early release of EuroPython dates ever!
Great and thank you, John!

(only Guido and Tim with access to timemachine.py could beat you...)

Harald


-- 
GHUM Harald Massa
persuadere et programmare
Harald Armin Massa
Spielberger Stra?e 49
70435 Stuttgart
0173/9409607
no fx, no carrier pidgeon
-
EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!

From lac at openend.se  Thu May 29 18:06:30 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:06:30 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Thu,
	29 May 2008 16:47:59 BST."
	<ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805291606.m4TG6UgQ025991@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Thu, 29 May 2008 16:47:59 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
>July, in Birmingham UK.
>
>I couldn't get both conference and dinner venues in September, and the
>next best date of 27th July is too far into the holiday season.
>
>Jazz fans may like to know that the 25th Birmingham International jazz
>Festival takes place from 3rd to 12th July 2009, so you could stay
>over and enjoy some cool music. See
>http://www.birminghamjazzfestival.com
>
>Best wishes,
>
>John

This sounds good but does this mean that we cannot use the site for
Sprinting over the weekend?

Laura



From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 29 19:47:12 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:47:12 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <7be3f35d0805290902n24ea2d68u5c824d68818d8d44@mail.gmail.com>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com>
	<7be3f35d0805290902n24ea2d68u5c824d68818d8d44@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805291047k3feae6d3u7d45254efd9eae61@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/29 Harald Armin Massa <haraldarminmassa at gmail.com>:
>> EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
>> July, in Birmingham UK.
>
> That is really super cool! Most early release of EuroPython dates ever!
> Great and thank you, John!
>
> (only Guido and Tim with access to timemachine.py could beat you...)

So you may be surprised to know that we're also looking at the 2010
dates, like the dinner venue is already booked out for September
2010...

John
--

> Harald
>
>
> --
> GHUM Harald Massa
> persuadere et programmare
> Harald Armin Massa
> Spielberger Stra?e 49
> 70435 Stuttgart
> 0173/9409607
> no fx, no carrier pidgeon
> -
> EuroPython 2008 will take place in Vilnius, Lithuania - Stay tuned!
>

From funthyme at gmail.com  Thu May 29 19:49:40 2008
From: funthyme at gmail.com (John Pinner)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:49:40 +0100
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: <200805291606.m4TG6UgQ025991@theraft.openend.se>
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211652j724425c9m4f41cc51c1702016@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se> <funthyme@gmail.com>
	<ff8a32f0805290847p178b9adem9c172a633404635b@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805291606.m4TG6UgQ025991@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <ff8a32f0805291049x9bba8dw6dcf1e4157e59daf@mail.gmail.com>

2008/5/29 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
> In a message of Thu, 29 May 2008 16:47:59 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>>EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
>>July, in Birmingham UK.
>>
>>I couldn't get both conference and dinner venues in September, and the
>>next best date of 27th July is too far into the holiday season.
>>
>>Jazz fans may like to know that the 25th Birmingham International jazz
>>Festival takes place from 3rd to 12th July 2009, so you could stay
>>over and enjoy some cool music. See
>>http://www.birminghamjazzfestival.com
>>
>>Best wishes,
>>
>>John
>
> This sounds good but does this mean that we cannot use the site for
> Sprinting over the weekend?

No, I've just not booked anything yet (because we don't need the large
halls, this is not a problem).

I'm thinking of the weekend _following_ the conference, which would be
good for sprinting jazz enthusiasts. I don't know how many of them
there are.

John
--

From lac at openend.se  Thu May 29 20:02:53 2008
From: lac at openend.se (Laura Creighton)
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 20:02:53 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] EuroPython 2009 Dates
In-Reply-To: Message from "John Pinner" <funthyme@gmail.com> of "Thu,
	29 May 2008 18:49:40 BST."
	<ff8a32f0805291049x9bba8dw6dcf1e4157e59daf@mail.gmail.com> 
References: <ff8a32f0805210503g4ac4bffeleee3b415e495e3fd@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211620.m4LGKBDN018967@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805211008n536a1ad6v3b39eaeec3da03e3@mail.gmail.com>
	<200805211856.m4LIuAYU012857@theraft.openend.se>
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	<200805221614.m4MGEVgD019073@theraft.openend.se>
	<funthyme@gmail.com>
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	<200805291606.m4TG6UgQ025991@theraft.openend.se>
	<ff8a32f0805291049x9bba8dw6dcf1e4157e59daf@mail.gmail.com> 
Message-ID: <200805291802.m4TI2rRa012652@theraft.openend.se>

In a message of Thu, 29 May 2008 18:49:40 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>2008/5/29 Laura Creighton <lac at openend.se>:
>> In a message of Thu, 29 May 2008 16:47:59 BST, "John Pinner" writes:
>>>EuroPython 2009 will take place from Monday 29th June to Friday 3rd
>>>July, in Birmingham UK.
>>>
>>>I couldn't get both conference and dinner venues in September, and the
>>>next best date of 27th July is too far into the holiday season.
>>>
>>>Jazz fans may like to know that the 25th Birmingham International jazz
>>>Festival takes place from 3rd to 12th July 2009, so you could stay
>>>over and enjoy some cool music. See
>>>http://www.birminghamjazzfestival.com
>>>
>>>Best wishes,
>>>
>>>John
>>
>> This sounds good but does this mean that we cannot use the site for
>> Sprinting over the weekend?
>
>No, I've just not booked anything yet (because we don't need the large
>halls, this is not a problem).
>
>I'm thinking of the weekend _following_ the conference, which would be
>good for sprinting jazz enthusiasts. I don't know how many of them
>there are.
>
>John
>--

There's one here.  And Sprinting after a conference is better than
before -- though some masochists have wanted *both*.  This is because
people arrive and leave at different days.  So if your sprint is after,
you run an introduction to your sprint, once, and then some people
have to leave early.  If you have you sprint _before_ you have to
run your introduction or explanations to each new sprinter as they
arrive.  This gets frustrating very quickly, plus tere is no way
you can give the same introductoin multiple times without losing
quality -- you forget which thngs you have said to which people.  Some
get told the same thing twice and other important things zero times.

Laura

From paul at boddie.org.uk  Sat May 31 16:55:45 2008
From: paul at boddie.org.uk (Paul Boddie)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 16:55:45 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
Message-ID: <200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>

On Saturday 31 May 2008 15:20:04 Laura Creighton wrote:
> I don't find a section about 'how to get from the trainstation
> or the airport to the conference venue'.  Are we missing this?

Yes. I'd like to know what the locals recommend and what people found out last 
year. The taxi ride from the airport was "exciting", but I heard that the bus 
is actually quite convenient. Anyone?

Paul

From regebro at gmail.com  Sat May 31 17:11:56 2008
From: regebro at gmail.com (Lennart Regebro)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 17:11:56 +0200
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>
	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
Message-ID: <319e029f0805310811u241e7cabib19f0e8d9d6e7d19@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
> On Saturday 31 May 2008 15:20:04 Laura Creighton wrote:
>> I don't find a section about 'how to get from the trainstation
>> or the airport to the conference venue'.  Are we missing this?
>
> Yes. I'd like to know what the locals recommend and what people found out last
> year. The taxi ride from the airport was "exciting", but I heard that the bus
> is actually quite convenient. Anyone?

The airport is so close to the centre that taking a tax is a waste of
money. The bus takes 15 minutes or so. But you need change. (Or you
wave a big note and go for free because the busdriver can't change it,
but I don't know what risk of fines you take doing this).

From dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com  Sat May 31 17:41:47 2008
From: dalius.dobravolskas at gmail.com (Dalius Dobravolskas)
Date: Sat, 31 May 2008 18:41:47 +0300
Subject: [EuroPython] [Europython-improve] getting to the conference site
In-Reply-To: <319e029f0805310811u241e7cabib19f0e8d9d6e7d19@mail.gmail.com>
References: <200805311320.m4VDK41o008950@theraft.openend.se>	<200805311655.45662.paul@boddie.org.uk>
	<319e029f0805310811u241e7cabib19f0e8d9d6e7d19@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <484171BB.3060103@gmail.com>

Hello,

Lennart Regebro wrote:
> On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 4:55 PM, Paul Boddie <paul at boddie.org.uk> wrote:
>   
>> On Saturday 31 May 2008 15:20:04 Laura Creighton wrote:
>>     
>>> I don't find a section about 'how to get from the trainstation
>>> or the airport to the conference venue'.  Are we missing this?
>>>       
>> Yes. I'd like to know what the locals recommend and what people found out last
>> year. The taxi ride from the airport was "exciting", but I heard that the bus
>> is actually quite convenient. Anyone?
>>     
>
> The airport is so close to the centre that taking a tax is a waste of
> money. The bus takes 15 minutes or so. But you need change. (Or you
> wave a big note and go for free because the busdriver can't change it,
> but I don't know what risk of fines you take doing this).
>   
I'm local. Taxi is really waste of money. Bus is OK. Price for bus is 
1.40 Litas or less than 50 euro cents. I don't know but there is another 
choice: there are micro buses that costs 3 Litas (less than one 1 euro). 
It is faster and more comfortable than bus. I believe numbers 15 and 100 
will take you almost to EuroPython hotel. I will take some photos and 
will draw something on map to illustrate everything later next week.

Fines are still very low compared to other countries. It is 
approximately 6 euros. That might be cheaper than taxi :-) And I believe 
nobody will waste their time for fining foreigner because there is 
little chance that they will speak english. From other side experience 
might be not the pleasant one.

Regards
Dalius
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From instituteoflocalgovernment at yahoo.com  Sat May 31 04:25:04 2008
From: instituteoflocalgovernment at yahoo.com (HEAD OF PERSONEL MANAGEMENT)
Date: Fri, 30 May 2008 19:25:04 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [EuroPython] CONFERENCE REGISTRATION
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Sir,
   
  INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT, Is a Federal Government Of Nigeria Foundations to co-ordinate the activities of the whole 774 Local Government in Nigeria.
   
  This Organisation has found interest to send delegations from Nigeria on the expenses of the Federal Government of Nigeria to attend this year .
   
  By sending delegations to this year conference. We so much believe that this conference will provide a forum for organic sythentic chemists from our Government parastatals to speak of their work and discuss important scientific problems.It will also help to promote discussion and interaction between academic and industrial scientists in a small conference setting. It will also present a unique and rarely expereienced for participants and accompanying persons.
   
                      EuroPython 2008 
Vilnius, Lithuania
      Monday 7th July - Saturday 12th July at the Reval Hotel Lietuva 

            
   All expenses made for this trip will be finance by the Federal Government of Nigeria.And we will as well like our delegates to come as an exhibitor in the conference. 
   
  Kindly let us know if you will be able to give our members a special Invitation Letter to get an entry visa for our crew coming from Nigeria so that we can go ahead to make registrations for the conference.
   
  Thank you.



Regards,
   
  HON.M.DACOSTA {MRS}
  HEAD OF PERSONELL MANAGEMENT, INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT
   
  ENGINEER GEORGE THOMAS
  SECRETARY TO THE HPM, INSTITUTE OF LOCAL GOVERNMENT
   
  +234-80-80999698
   

       
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