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On 15 Oct 2014 19:42, "Noufal Ibrahim KV" <<a href="mailto:noufal@nibrahim.net.in">noufal@nibrahim.net.in</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Wed, Oct 15 2014, Haris Ibrahim K. V. wrote:<br>
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> [...]<br>
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> > I would say this is a wrong attitude to have. Experienced speakers<br>
> > don't sprout on trees. It takes a long time for someone to get good at<br>
> > it.<br>
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> Of course. I'm just saying that an annual conference shouldn't be the<br>
> place for them to start or, even worse, practice their speaking<br>
> skills. User group meetings, smaller conferences etc. are all fine.<br>
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> Besides, we've been running in the current way for quite a few years and<br>
> still have complaints about talk quality. I think a different approach<br>
> is justified, even if only as an experiment.<br>
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> > Also, having expert knowledge about a certain topic does not mean the<br>
> > person would have presentation skills as well.<br>
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> That's fine. It's way better than someone with excellent presentation<br>
> skills talking about something they don't know in depth.<br>
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> Also, a talk by an experienced speaker will open the way to an<br>
> interesting Q/A or even a good open space.<br>
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> > Almost all the Pycons around the world welcome first time speakers,<br>
> > including Pycon US.<br>
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> Fair enough. I'm saying we should try it for a year or two in a<br>
> different way and see if it's better. My gut feel is that this kind of<br>
> approach will make it a smaller but higher quality conference.<br>
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> > There should be an avenue for first timers to present and grow. At<br>
> > some point in time, the old will have to make way for the new. :)<br>
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> User group meetings, smaller one day conferences, attending workshops,<br>
> teaching workshops. All of these are there. I don't understand the<br>
> reasoning behind allowing first timers to speak at the premium<br>
> conference which is held just once a year.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Unless you, or at least the community as a whole is active about making sure that first time speakers have an avenue at all those places mentioned above, don't be too active in excluding them from a place they are, and have been welcomed over the years, all over the world, including India. To do so would be equivalent to destroying the community in the long run.</p>
<p dir="ltr">The different avenues that you mentioned earlier don't happen magically either. Most of it is volunteer driven and they will only happen if someone sacrifices his/her time to make it happen.</p>
<p dir="ltr">Also, I am positive that no one on this mailing list who support your view, can guarantee that the organizers of those avenues won't have a mindset like yours.</p>
<p dir="ltr">If a fisrt time speaker gets rejected at those avenues, can he approach anyone saying he was denied the opportunity?</p>
<p dir="ltr">If not, as I said, the community will wither and die over the long run. Don't do that. "Premium conference" and all is fine. But not at the cost of excluding anyone who has even the slightest of interest.</p>
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> --<br>
> Cordially,<br>
> Noufal<br>
> <a href="http://nibrahim.net.in">http://nibrahim.net.in</a><br>
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