I'm also not a lawyer, but...<br><br>I previously would have agreed about the protections in the license, but until the whole claim of 135 Patent violations in Linux clears up, I'm not sure. MS Legal needs to prove that they can be trusted.
<br><br>-Eric<br><br><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">M. David Peterson</b> <<a href="mailto:xmlhacker@gmail.com">xmlhacker@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
I am not a lawyer, but I can read,<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">(B) Patent Grant- Subject to the terms of this license, including the
license conditions and limitations in section 3, each contributor
grants you a non-exclusive, worldwide, royalty-free license under its
licensed patents to make, have made, use, sell, offer for sale, import,
and/or otherwise dispose of its contribution in the software or
derivative works of the contribution in the software.</blockquote><div><br>In section 3,<br><br><blockquote style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;" class="gmail_quote">
(B) If you bring a patent claim against any contributor over patents
that you claim are infringed by the software, your patent license from
such contributor to the software ends automatically. </blockquote><div><br><br>In summary: We won't sue you, if you don't sue us. If you do, then the gloves are off.<br><br>And let me reiterate: I am not a lawyer.
<br></div><br></div><div><span class="e" id="q_112e4eb2b5a163ee_1"><div><span class="gmail_quote">On 5/31/07, <b class="gmail_sendername">John Messerly</b> <<a href="mailto:jomes@microsoft.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
jomes@microsoft.com</a>> wrote:</span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
Hi,<br><br>I am definitely not a lawyer, but I think this question is addressed in the Microsoft Permissive License (<a href="http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/permissivelicense.mspx" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/sharedsource/licensingbasics/permissivelicense.mspx
</a>). See section 2.b, "Patent Grant".<br><br>Cheers,<br><br>John<br><br>-----Original Message-----<br>From: <a href="mailto:users-bounces@lists.ironpython.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
users-bounces@lists.ironpython.com</a> [mailto:<a href="mailto:users-bounces@lists.ironpython.com" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">
users-bounces@lists.ironpython.com</a>] On Behalf Of Sanghyeon Seo<br>Sent: Wednesday, May 30, 2007 6:10 PM<br>To: Discussion of IronPython<br>Subject: [IronPython] Patent concerns<br><br>Hi,<br><br>Recently on jvm-languages list, which is an interest group surrounding
<br>language implementation for the JVM, Frank Wierzbicki from Jython<br>project expressed the concern that Microsoft may hold a lot of patents<br>related to IronPython, so he is reluctant to look at the source code<br>even if it is open-sourced.
<br><br><a href="http://groups.google.com/group/jvm-languages/msg/0d16a82b53233a72" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">http://groups.google.com/group/jvm-languages/msg/0d16a82b53233a72
</a><br><br>Apparently, this seems to be a widespread concern. I think this is a
<br>pity, since in my opinion IronPython has a lot of good ideas that<br>would benefit language implementations on JVM.<br><br>So, please answer if possible. What patents Microsoft hold, related to<br>IronPython?<br><br>
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