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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Hi,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Just my personal thoughts on some of the topics:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- IronRuby - What do we want to do here?<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">To be honest, IronRuby is not my personal area of interest.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I’m in favour of splitting IronRuby, IronPython and the DLR into three different projects. Maybe we could bring some of them under the hood of the .NET Foundation
or some other non-profit organization.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">While we can raise awareness for IronRuby, and try to initiate some community there, I think we don’t have the manpower and expertise to bring the project back
to life on our own, as we’re already struggling with IronPython.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Issue disposition - there are currently about 961 issues, with most having been ported from CodePlex. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We could hold some “bug squashing party” where we try to close non-reproducible bugs, link duplicates, and try to create regression tests for the remaining ones.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Release schedule - I would like to do more rolling releases, getting features and fixes out faster, but still maintaining stability<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+1. I suggest regular, time-driven releases, and maybe hotfixes for urgent bugs on demand.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- Continuous Integration - I was, for some time a contributor on the Jenkins project, I am approaching CloudBees to see what might be available for open source projects<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">+1. This will also help with the “maintaining stability” point.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We should run as much of the standard Python tests as possible, as well as our own IronPython specific tests.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">If it won’t work out with CloudBees very well, this might be something where the .NET Foundation could help, or maybe I could ask whether we could provide some
infrastructure in our company.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US">- IronPython 3 - Roadmap to IronPython 3, which would be Python 3 compatible.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We should aim directly for IronPython 3.5 or 3.6 (or even 3.7, depending on the time frame?) – It makes no sense to target an older release.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif""><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">Targeting an unreleased upstream version has the advantage that we could submit some upstream patches for the python part of the standard library – AFAIR, the
cPython core devs are rather open to that kind of patches if they don’t bring to much hassle for cPython.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">I’d also vote on using a different assembly name and namespace (e. G. “IronPython3”) – some users might need to support both IronPython 2 and 3 in parallel (at
least during some transition period), and using different assembly names and namespaces might drastically simplify this.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span lang="EN-US" style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial","sans-serif"">We should start with the parser, and work through the layers from there.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif"">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Tahoma","sans-serif""> Ironpython-users [mailto:ironpython-users-bounces+m.schaber=codesys.com@python.org]
<b>On Behalf Of </b>Slide<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, July 11, 2016 7:02 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> ironpython-users@python.org<br>
<b>Subject:</b> [Ironpython-users] Community Meeting<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Jeff Hardy has handed over the mangement of IronPython to myself and Benedikt Eggers. We are hoping to recruit some new people to contribute to IronPython and get some releases out. We would like to have a community meeting to discuss future
direction for IronPython. We're planning on holding the meeting on Gitter, you can find the room here: <a href="https://gitter.im/IronLanguages/main">https://gitter.im/IronLanguages/main</a>. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">I would like to cover the following agenda topics, but would definitely like to hear from community members what they would like to discuss as well. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- IronRuby - What do we want to do here?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Issue disposition - there are currently about 961 issues, with most having been ported from CodePlex. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Release schedule - I would like to do more rolling releases, getting features and fixes out faster, but still maintaining stability<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- Continuous Integration - I was, for some time a contributor on the Jenkins project, I am approaching CloudBees to see what might be available for open source projects<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">- IronPython 3 - Roadmap to IronPython 3, which would be Python 3 compatible.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Please reply back if you are interested in attending the meeting and specify your timezone. I'd like to make the meeting as easy to attend as possible for the most amount of people. We won't be able to get everyone, but I would like to
get as many as possible. I would like to hold the meeting this Thursday.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Thanks!<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">Alex Earl<o:p></o:p></p>
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