[Mailman-Developers] Major updates to Mailman 3.0 branch

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Aug 4, 2007, at 1:30 AM, Lionel Elie Mamane wrote:

> On Sat, Jul 21, 2007 at 04:25:07PM -0400, Barry Warsaw wrote:
>
>> I've just merged in my 'setuptools' branch to the official Mailman 3
>> branch.
>
>> Also gone are the C wrapper programs, so Mailman is now a pure
>> Python application.
>
> I suppose that means that all architecture-dependent code is gone?

Yes.  I'm going to try very hard not to bring them back.  I think we  
can do that by using different mechanisms to integration Mailman with  
mail and web servers, though I haven't worked my way high enough up  
the stack yet.

>> All the packages Mailman depends on live in the Cheeseshop (...).
>> And now that we're a setuptools-based project, when you build
>> Mailman (see below), these dependent packages will be automatically
>> downloaded and installed as necessary.
>
> With the hat of distribution packager hat on, we will need a way to
> disable that mechanism. To be sure that our automated builds are
> self-contained and will _not_ access the network in any way. Is there
> any way to do that? I didn't find an option for that in "python2.5
> setup.py --help".

Yes, but this is a larger issue than just Mailman because just about  
any decent sized Python application your going to distribute these is  
going to be built around this type of architecture.  Probably the  
same goes for Ruby and Perl but I don't know those language's  
packaging systems very well.

I'm pretty certain eggs play well enough with various distribution  
package management systems.  I would start here for more information:

http://peak.telecommunity.com/DevCenter/setuptools

- -Barry

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