[Mailman-Developers] GNU Mailman Site Redesign

[Barry Warsaw]

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On Mar 10, 2008, at 11:10 PM, Satoshi Tanabe wrote:
>
> Currently I'm creating an unofficial site of GNU Mailman. It's not
> done yet, but the goal is to make the current official site more
> accessible and usable. The content is almost the same.

Satoshi, this is very cool.  I'm sorry for not responding sooner, but  
I think it would be great to flesh these ideas out more, probably with  
Terri's help.

I think you've accurately identified some of the problems with the  
current web site. It's also true that we're building it with 1996  
technology and web design sensibility (not unlike Mailman's web u/i ;).

I do think it's important to consider that the tools used to build the  
site be free software.  I'd like people to be able to hack the web  
building tools just like they can hack the software.

It's also important to consider what information is better suited for  
the wiki and what is better suited for the static main site.  I agree  
that there's a lot of duplication of information, and I tend to think  
that a large amount of that belongs on the wiki instead.  Relying  
heavily on the wiki[1] allows the entire community to participate, and  
as Terri has shown, even the documentation written on the wiki can be  
exported to other formats that are more easily printed.

I would like to keep some of the same color schemes and logos we  
currently use, unless there is a strong desire to update them.  I  
still like the logo though. :)

One other question you raise: I would like to move the bug trackers  
off of SourceForge at some point.  I think Jira is no longer a viable  
option, so we should consider alternatives.  Once again, Launchpad  
seems a natural, but I'm open to suggestions, given our constraints  
(we don't currently have the resources to maintain our own tracker  
instances).

- -Barry

[1] Admittedly the wiki is not running on free software.  As much as I  
like Confluence, this is an issue for a GNU project like Mailman.   
However, again I don't think we yet have the resources to maintain our  
own wiki, let alone import the existing content into a free wiki.   
IMO, having a non-free wiki is more useful to the community than not  
having a wiki at all, but I'm open to volunteers coming forward to  
help rectify the situation.

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