> I'm having a similar problem. I believe, the envelope thing > might be the reason why I always have to approve messages > to python-de@starship.python.net which were redirected form > starship.skyport.net . Is it possible that there is some relay > in the way which puts another envelope around the message? > I'll give it a try. I sent mail to Barry about this, but I'll share it for those interested. On my system (Linux 2.0.x, sendmail 8.9.3, procmail 3.12, and mailman 1.0b9), sender = msg.GetEnvelopeSender() sets sender to 'listname-admin@example.com'. So something somewhere is changing the envelope address prematurely (it should be changed *after* this function call). syslog verifies that the message is send from listname-admin before pumping the message through '|$prefix/mail/wrapper mailowner listname' But I don't understand why it's happening on certain systems and not on others. Chris