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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT face="Times New Roman">Who is
defined as <A
href="mailto:cinjub-owner@www.cin.org">cinjub-owner@www.cin.org</A>. Look
at the aliasing and find out everyone who this email goes to and then see if any
of those folks have any forwards or other aliasing for their
addresses.</FONT></FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT size=3><FONT
face="Times New Roman"><STRONG> Sender:</STRONG> <B> <A
href="mailto:cinjub-owner@www.cin.org">cinjub-owner@www.cin.org</A></B> <BR><B> Errors-To:</B> <B><A
href="mailto:cinjub-owner@www.cin.org">cinjub-owner@www.cin.org</A></B>
</FONT></FONT><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>There is nothing obvious in the single
header. The mail originates from <FONT face="Times New Roman"
size=3><STRONG>margaret.mollerus.org</STRONG> which is running a beta version of
Sendmail: (<STRONG>8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19).</STRONG> Are all the
mails from margaret.mollerus.org?</FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></FONT><FONT
face=Arial size=2>If that doesn't help, could you send a few more
different headers? I'll look for some patterns.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Jon Carnes</FONT></DIV>
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style="PADDING-RIGHT: 0px; PADDING-LEFT: 5px; MARGIN-LEFT: 5px; BORDER-LEFT: #000000 2px solid; MARGIN-RIGHT: 0px">
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
<DIV
style="BACKGROUND: #e4e4e4; FONT: 10pt arial; font-color: black"><B>From:</B>
<A title=rgant@flash.net href="mailto:rgant@flash.net">Society of Our Lady of
the Most Holy Trinity (SOLT)</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=jonc@haht.com
href="mailto:jonc@haht.com">Jon Carnes</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=mailman-users@python.org
href="mailto:mailman-users@python.org">mailman-users@python.org</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:18
AM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic
Information Network (CIN) Moderators List flooded with blank emails</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Here are one of the headers of blank email. Fr.
Gant<B></B>
<P><B>Received:</B>
<BR><B>
from vm5-ext.prodigy.net ([127.0.0.1]) by vm5-wfldad with ESMTP; Mon, 1 Oct
2001</B>
<BR><B>
15:59:54 -0400</B> <BR><B>
Received:</B>
<BR><B>
from margaret.mollerus.org (24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net
[24.158.17.115]) by</B>
<BR><B>
vm5-ext.prodigy.net (8.11.0/8.11.0) with ESMTP id f91JxD983938 for
<rgant@flash.net>;</B>
<BR><B>
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 15:59:13 -0400</B>
<BR><B> Received:</B>
<BR><B>
from 24.158.17.115.dul.nc.chartermi.net (IDENT:mailman@localhost [127.0.0.1])
by</B>
<BR><B>
margaret.mollerus.org (8.12.0.Beta19/8.12.0.Beta19) with ESMTP id
f91Jx36E010579; Mon,</B>
<BR><B>
1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500</B>
<BR><B>
Date:</B>
<BR><B>
Mon, 1 Oct 2001 14:59:03 -0500</B>
<BR><B>
From:</B>
<BR><B>
cinjub-admin@www.cin.org</B> <BR><B>
Message-ID:</B>
<BR><B>
<200110011959.f91Jx36E010579@margaret.mollerus.org></B>
<BR><B>
Sender:</B>
<BR><B>
cinjub-owner@www.cin.org</B>
<BR><B> Errors-To:</B>
<BR><B>
cinjub-owner@www.cin.org</B> <BR><B>
X-Beenthere:</B>
<BR><B>
cinjub@www.cin.org</B> <BR><B> X-Mailman-Version:</B>
<BR><B>
2.0.5</B> <BR><B> Precedence:</B>
<BR><B>
bulk</B> <BR><B>
List-Help:</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=help">mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=help</A>></B>
<BR><B> List-Post:</B>
<BR><B>
<<A href="mailto:cinjub@www.cin.org">mailto:cinjub@www.cin.org</A>></B>
<BR><B> List-Subscribe:</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="http://www.cin.org/mailman/listinfo/cinjub">http://www.cin.org/mailman/listinfo/cinjub</A>>,</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=subscribe">mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=subscribe</A>></B>
<BR><B>
List-Id:</B>
<BR><B>
CIN Jubilee 2000--Catholic News Around the World
<cinjub.www.cin.org></B> <BR><B> List-Unsubscribe:</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="http://www.cin.org/mailman/listinfo/cinjub">http://www.cin.org/mailman/listinfo/cinjub</A>>,</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=unsubscribe">mailto:cinjub-request@www.cin.org?subject=unsubscribe</A>></B>
<BR><B> List-Archive:</B>
<BR><B>
<<A
href="http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/">http://www.cin.org/archives/cinjub/</A>></B>
<BR><B> X-Virus-Scanned:</B>
<BR><B>
by AMaViS-perl11-milter (<A
href="http://amavis.org/">http://amavis.org/</A>)</B>
<BR><B> X-Mozilla-Status:</B>
<BR><B>
8001</B> <BR><B> X-Mozilla-Status2:</B>
<BR><B>
00000000</B> <BR><B>
X-UIDL:</B>
<BR><B>
8FD2E494E80C9B03179B40A419892382</B> <BR> <BR>
<P>Jon Carnes wrote:
<BLOCKQUOTE TYPE="CITE">I agree with Greg: "Yikes!" <BR>This is not a
characteristic of Mailman, but sounds more like an MTA <BR>problem.
You may have a mail loop setup somewhere in your alias or redirect
<BR>files.
<P>If you could forward some of the headers to us, we could trace the mail
for <BR>you and give better input as to where the problem may lay. <BR>Of
course the best place to look is in your log files...
<P>Jon Carnes <BR>----- Original Message ----- <BR>From: "Greg Ward"
<gward@mems-exchange.org> <BR>To: "Society of Our Lady of the Most
Holy Trinity (SOLT)" <rgant@flash.net> <BR>Cc:
<mailman-users@python.org> <BR>Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2001 10:03
AM <BR>Subject: Re: [Mailman-Users] Catholic Information Network (CIN)
Moderators <BR>List flooded with blank emails
<P>> On 02 October 2001, Society of Our Lady of the Most Holy Trinity
(SOLT) <BR>said: <BR>> > Since the Catholic Information Network (CIN)
changed to the Mailman <BR>> > program yesterday, our moderators' list
(which has 40 to 50 <BR>> > moderators) is flooded with blank emails.
<BR>> <BR>> Yikes! <BR>> <BR>> The first thing I would do is
start tailing log files to try and <BR>> identify a culprit.
Mailman's logs are in ~mailman/logs; I would <BR>> tail -f
post smtp smtp-failure qrunner <BR>> for a start. (Umm, this
assumes GNU tail -- older, more primitive <BR>> Unices are not as
capable. I'm assuming you know something about <BR>> administering
a Unix system, otherwise you probably shouldn't be using <BR>> Mailman.)
<BR>> <BR>> Of course, your MTA is also a factor. Which MTA are
you using, anyways? <BR>> Whatever, I'm presuming you know where its logs
are -- go tail them, <BR>> too. <BR>> <BR>> Or hell, just *look* at
the logs from overnight, when your poor <BR>> moderators were getting
100s of messages. Old info is better than no <BR>> info. <BR>>
<BR>> Greg <BR>> --
<BR>> Greg Ward - software
developer
gward@mems-exchange.org <BR>> MEMS
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