[melbourne-pug] Melbourne Community
miked at dewhirst.com.au
Wed Apr 12 06:46:28 CEST 2006
Maurice Ling wrote:
> I'm away from Melbourne for 7 months and will only be back next month,
> so I must admit that I've not been following up the happenings.
I live here and have missed maybe one or two meetings and the last
meeting I did attend in Fitzroy didn't quite make a quorum :)
>> To that end, perhaps I could offer to collate and edit some articles
>> into an e-magazine, perhaps bringing the first issue into existence
>> around June 1? I would be happy to do put such a thing together,
That is generous - standing ovation from me |||||||
>> anyone has any articles, cookbook recipes or even simple ideas, please
>> feel free to contact me. The existence of a magazine of this kind might
>> help people feel a bit more connected? Also, if any of the more
>> long-standing members of MPUG would care to contribute an article on the
>> history of mpug, or personal accounts, that would be great.
>> If people think this is a bad idea, feel free to let me know that, also.
>> Crocker's rules are fine by me.
Not in python space and especially not in Melbourne! We vote with our
feet :) See standing ovation above.
> I am largely in favour of this. I feel that in the OSS community, there
> is still a substantial lack of documentation and support for getting
> materials out into the public.
I strongly agree. I'd like to see an open source knowledge transfer
system. More on that in a later discussion.
> This Melbourne Python Users' Bulletin (or letters) may be a collection
> of published case studies or personal experiences and tutorial-like
> articles. From an academic perspective, I believe that at least the
> technical contents needs to be correct before "publishing", so even
> though it is not a real academic journal, some forms of "technical
> peer-reviewing" needs to take place.
Are you suggesting a mail-list review?
Just thinking out loud, I reckon peer review is brilliant in terms of
you guys telling me where I'm going wrong when I show you what I'm
doing. That is because my objective (not necessarily anyone else's) is
to learn and improve my skills in a much more immediate time frame than
would be possible within any formal or academic peer review situation.
Speaking for myself, I would strongly support mail-list review of
whatever gets offered. That is where I would gain the most knowledge. I
desperately want to see debate and constructive criticism of everyone's
offerings because I know that's how I'll learn. Just seeing the polished
outcome in the e-zine would not teach me as much. I'm not against polish
I just wanna learn.
In fact I would be happy to submit my own puny efforts and suffer
enormous embarrassment in the process. The benefit to me would be
There is definitely a niche for polished peer reviewed stuff. Just last
night I placed an order on Amazon for O'Reilly's Python Cookbook. The
cred of the reviewers looks impeccable to me and that is what persuaded
me to spend hard-earned money. Even so, I also visit the ASPN website
for recipes because I see peer review debate and commentary there as well.
I think I'm saying we sacrifice bandwidth in the knowledge transfer game
when we add formality. IMHO, absolute best and broadest knowledge
transfer bandwidth is face-to-face discussion with whiteboards on hand.
Next best is either Professor Google or a mail list like this. The
narrowest knowledge transfer bandwidth is to buy and read a book. I'm
not saying anything about the quality of the knowledge - just the speed
and relevance at the time.
A peer reviewed e-zine would be great. The peer review would be better
provided people got in and criticised with gusto. Maybe Crocker's Rules
should apply (:
> I've also just did an initial proposal to Firebird Foundation about
> starting a peer-reviewed journal. (Let's talk about this off-list if you
> are interested)
Don't be shy - I would be more comfortable being included (or lurking)
in the discussion.
Run with it ...
But I think the administration and moderation are the same.
> I can offer my assistance to this e-zine as a form of associate editor
> or sort if needed.
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