<span></span>Personally, our experience with Python has been decent thus far. We are forced to work with many contractors across the states because of the lack of available Python coders here in Oregon. Although, the ones we do find (predominately in Eugene believe it or not) we do prioritize working with. I agree in that a development shop cannot ONLY offer Python development because it's difficult to find the right talent for that but Python as a language and Django as a framework is becoming increasingly popular and easier for us to sell. We've succeeded in switching many companies we work with over to Python and Django... luckily that's due to our ability to sell the benefits of Python.<div>
<br></div><div>We also managed to bring on the most outspoken person on the Django IRC channel as a partner of the firm. He's been working with Django since the beginning and is well connected to many Django developers through IRC. They look to him for technical support with the framework. This strategic hire has helped us avoid running the risk of not being able to find the right talent.</div>
<div><br></div><div>Nonetheless, Dylan is very correct. Python needs to market itself better!!!<br><div name="mailplane_signature"><br>
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<a href="http://www.typethink.com">www.typethink.com</a></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:43 PM, Dylan Reinhardt <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:python@dylanreinhardt.com">python@dylanreinhardt.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Yeah, that sums up the problem nicely.<br>
<br>
We're in a very interesting spot with Python right now. It's not difficult<br>
to sell organizations on using Python, but there simply aren't enough<br>
experienced people to cover the amount of work that would create. This lack<br>
of labor leads many thoughtful companies *not* to choose Python... which<br>
means that there are fewer Python job offerings and a lowered perception<br>
that Python skills are worth developing. We've been stuck in this cycle for<br>
at least five years now.<br>
<br>
IMO, Python needs to develop more *supply* of talent before there's going to<br>
be significantly more demand... but that's a tough sell for the people whose<br>
skills are being developed as potentially excess capacity.<br>
<br>
If I'm way off base here and there are a bunch of people here who can't find<br>
jobs, please say something. I would guess we could get quite a few<br>
opportunities posted here if there is actually talent available.<br>
<br>
$.02,<br>
<br>
Dylan<br>
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On Mon, Jun 8, 2009 at 12:20 PM, Patrick Curtain <<a href="mailto:pcurtain@gmail.com">pcurtain@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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</div><div><div></div><div class="h5">> Hi All!<br>
><br>
> Just wanted to cast the net again... I'm really surprised at the lack<br>
> of response.<br>
><br>
> I got *no* available Python / Django coders in response to two job<br>
> postings and one request here for contract developer help.<br>
><br>
> That makes me wonder, is every available python and django coder<br>
> happily coding away already? Or is our community so small there are<br>
> only a few and they're busy? (Or did I just word it so badly no one<br>
> bothered to answer?)<br>
><br>
> I know one small company here in town that gave up on their two year<br>
> zope/plone development effort because after 8 months of trying they<br>
> couldn't find a single coder to hire. Made me sad because i was<br>
> recommending they stay with open source solutions. Ended up switching<br>
> to an outsourced .NET shop doing C#. (Whole 'nother story there).<br>
><br>
> So, help me out, everyone. Are there really no available developers?<br>
><br>
> The availability of talent for new projects is certainly one criteria<br>
> for any company considering the technology to use for a startup<br>
> project. I'd like to advocate using Python and Django.<br>
><br>
> Blessings!<br>
> --p<br>
><br>
><br>
> --<br>
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