<div dir="ltr">On Fri, Apr 5, 2013 at 2:16 AM, Jacob Kaplan-Moss <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:jacob@jacobian.org" target="_blank">jacob@jacobian.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi folks --<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>Hi jacobian,</div>
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A couple weeks ago at PyCon we announced the "preview" of the new<br>
<a href="http://python.org" target="_blank">python.org</a>: <a href="http://preview.python.org/" target="_blank">http://preview.python.org/</a>. You'll recall that the PSF put<br>
out an RFP and had a bid process; our work has been the result of<br>
that.<br>
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We'd announced it in a number of places, but as Aahz just pointed out,<br>
I forgot to ask for feedback on the site here. I'm really sorry --<br>
that's a major oversight.<br>
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It's very much still a work-in-progress -- major sections are not<br>
done, and most of the content is still lipsum -- but I'm interested in<br>
any and all feedback anyone's got. There's a feedback form on every<br>
page which you can use, or feel free to email me directly.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>My IMHO. Good sides like design choice, as always, are missing from these rants.</div><div style><br></div><div style>1. Top menu.</div>
<div style> Are there any public stats about how many times every top link is clicked?</div><div style> Everyone is curious, and this also a starting point for usability study until</div><div style> the design is fixed in stone.</div>
<div style> Education and Docs carry all the same meaning for me.</div><div style> Community deserves to be placed as a last item on that menu.<br></div><div style> With all respect to PSF that I have, PSF info is not that important for site</div>
<div style> users as community stuff like planet. And everyone determined to know</div><div style> about who is Python "powered by", can look into the footer anyway.</div><div style><br></div><div style>
2. Excessive navigation for items already present in top menu</div><div style> Docs and documentation takes five blocks on main page.</div><div style> Jobs takes two blocks.</div><div style> Downloads take three blocks.</div>
<div><br></div><div style>3. No login/profiles</div><div style><br></div><div style>4. Site is not open source, which is strange and alienating for open source folks. There is no better resource to learn than a working code.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>5. Python -> Downloads as the most frequently visited should be bold and at the right (easy to spot for returning visitors) </div><div style> "Frequently visited" should not a be a subjective judgement.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>6. The blank space to the right of Python logo should contain a six words phrase about what's what?</div><div style> This is for people who is not familiar with the site.</div><div style>
<br></div><div style>7. Success stories bearing thumbnail for each story are more interesting than a raw text.</div><div style><br></div><div style>8. It is more intuitive for me to control top sections with background color coding, not with the menu color coding.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>9. No API</div><div style><br></div><div style>10. Horizontal scrollbar in Chrome.</div><div style><br></div><div style>I guess that design is all feedback that's possible to be provided for now. Other questions are hard to discuss without something already working. For example, the documentation needs an online edit / review system. It is not even clear if this feature is planned, and how it should be added.</div>
<div style><br></div><div style>One major flaw is that there is absolutely no place for development. The key point IMHO around which everything else should be based in open source process. I understand that commercial companies are not used to customers who aim to provide that kind of activities, but PSF as a product owner should have prioritized this aspect unless it wants to make Python development an inhouse process.</div>
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If anyone has specific concerns about specific parts of the site and<br>
want to talk in depth I'd be happy to set up a<br>
phone/skype/hangout/whatever chat. I'm more or less free all next<br>
week, so just let me know.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div style>I'd be interested to know about the usability development strategy. Right now it looks like just a catalog of links. If no usability study is planned on this phase, I can propose some stuff. Also something about Jobs.</div>
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Thanks, and again sorry that I failed to announce this here.</blockquote><div> </div><div style>The positioning of the whole process could be more public and community centric. =) I am more than inclined that there are many people out there who'd like to know the process of building such complicated site as *.<a href="http://python.org">python.org</a> from scratch to exchange the experiences. I am even sure that people will fund the open development through kickstarter campaign to learn about A/B testing, usability study techniques, role of statistics and arts. I am also sure that people will be happy to help with development of reusable components that may be required to build <a href="http://python.org">python.org</a></div>
<div style><br></div><div style>Also, Sprints and donation system for sprints, for sponsored development and other initiatives. I'd like to see that platform. Not just a new web 2.0 design.</div><div style><br></div>
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Take this with a grain of salt. It is good that somebody works on this. Good luck with your quest, and feel free to contact me for details.</div><div>-- <br>anatoly t.</div><br></div></div></div>