<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On 17 October 2011 18:20, David Cournapeau <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:cournape@gmail.com">cournape@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><br>[snip...]<br><br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">
<div class="im">On Mon, Oct 17, 2011 at 2:22 PM, Michael Foord <<a href="mailto:fuzzyman@gmail.com">fuzzyman@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> It seems odd to argue that extending numpy to pypy will be a net negative<br>
> for the community! Sure there are some difficulties involved, just as there<br>
> are difficulties with having multiple implementations in the first place,<br>
> but the benefits are much greater.<br>
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</div>The net negative would be the community split, with numpy losing some<br>
resources taken by numpy on pypy. This seems like a plausible<br>
situation.<br>
<br></blockquote><div><br>Note that this is *exactly* the same "negative" that Python itself faces with multiple implementations. It has in fact been a great positive, widening the community and improving Python (and yes sometimes improving it by pointing out its problems).<br>
<br>All the best,<br><br>Michael<br><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
Without a C numpy API, you can't have scipy or matplotlib, no<br>
scikit-learns, etc... But you could hide most of it behind cython,<br>
which has momentum in the scientific community. Then a realistic<br>
approach becomes:<br>
- makes the cython+pypy backend a reality<br>
- ideally make cython to wrap fortran a reality<br>
- convert as much as possible from python C API to cython<br>
<br>
People of all level can participate. The first point in particular<br>
could help pypy besides the scipy community. And that's a plan where<br>
both parties would benefit from each other.<br>
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cheers,<br>
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David<br>
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> All the best,<br>
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