Donation is in here too... numpy is just the beginning step in a great direction. Go pypy!<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 23, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Ian Ozsvald <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:ian@ianozsvald.com">ian@ianozsvald.com</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">I agree that numpy support is a good first aim, I hope it'll open the<br>
door to scipy support later.<br>
<br>
To that end I've made my donation. As discussed with Fijal via a<br>
private email I felt awkward with the new project (hence me asking the<br>
question 60 emails back) as I'd offered a £600 donation which was made<br>
on the assumption that numpy+scipy support would be possible (and to<br>
be clear - this was entirely *my* assumption, made at EuroPython,<br>
before the project was defined - the error was mine). Obviously I<br>
want to see numpy supported, I do also want to see scipy (and probably<br>
cython) supported too.<br>
<br>
So, I've just donated $480USD (£300) for the numpy-pypy project as a<br>
personal donation. I'll make a second donation of $480 as and when a<br>
project is proposed that enables scipy support. This fits with my<br>
goals and I hope it helps the project move forwards.<br>
<br>
Cheers all,<br>
<font color="#888888">Ian.<br>
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On 20 October 2011 11:41, Maciej Fijalkowski <<a href="mailto:fijall@gmail.com">fijall@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
> On Thu, Oct 20, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Ian Ozsvald <<a href="mailto:ian@ianozsvald.com">ian@ianozsvald.com</a>> wrote:<br>
>>> I was one of the people who responded to that poll, and I have to say that I fall into the category "they actually meant 'SciPy'…".<br>
>><br>
>> I'll note with regards to the survey that I also recall saying Yes to<br>
>> numpy but never thinking to explain that I used SciPy, the SciKits and<br>
>> Cython for a lot of my work (not all of it but definitely for chunks<br>
>> of it). Maybe a second more focused survey would be useful?<br>
><br>
> I think Armin made it clear enough but apparently not. We're not<br>
> against scipy and we will try our best at supporting it. However it's<br>
> not in the first part of the proposal - let's be reasonable, pypy is<br>
> not magic, we can't make everything happen at the same time.<br>
><br>
> We believe that emulating CPython C API is a lot of pain and numpy<br>
> does not adhere to it anyway. We also see how cython is not the<br>
> central part of numpy right now and it's unclear whether cython<br>
> bindings would every be done as the basis of numpy array. How would<br>
> you do that anyway?<br>
><br>
> So providing a basic, working and preferably fast array type is an<br>
> absolute necessity to go forward. We don't want to plan upfront what<br>
> then. We also think providing the array type *has* to break backwards<br>
> compatibility or it'll be a major pain to implement, simply because<br>
> CPython is too different. And, as a value added, fast operations on<br>
> low-level data *in python* while not a priority for a lot of scipy<br>
> people is a priority for a lot of pypy people - it's just very useful.<br>
><br>
> If you have a plan how to go forward *and* immediately get scipy,<br>
> please speak up, I don't.<br>
><br>
> Cheers,<br>
> fijal<br>
><br>
>><br>
>> Ian.<br>
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