<div dir="ltr">The way to calm discussions is to stop responding.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Thu, Apr 26, 2018 at 4:02 AM, Victor Stinner <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:vstinner@redhat.com" target="_blank">vstinner@redhat.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi,<br>
<br>
Since 2 or 3 years, I saw that that discussions on some PEPs get more<br>
and more emails every year. Maybe because Python became more popular?<br>
Openness is a Python quality, but shortly, the amount of emails<br>
becomes an issue, at least for the author of the PEP.<br>
<br>
I counted the number of emails per day of the python-dev mailing list,<br>
using mbox archives available at:<br>
<a href="https://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-dev/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://mail.python.org/<wbr>pipermail/python-dev/</a><br>
<br>
My script:<br>
<a href="https://github.com/vstinner/misc/blob/master/python/parse_mailman_mbox.py" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://github.com/vstinner/<wbr>misc/blob/master/python/parse_<wbr>mailman_mbox.py</a><br>
<br>
In March, python-dev got 246 emails with a maximum of 31 the 2018-03-21.<br>
<br>
In April, the traffic was between 3 and 27 emails per day until the<br>
start of the chaos:<br>
<br>
...<br>
2018-04-17: 27<br>
2018-04-18: 20<br>
2018-04-19: 11<br>
2018-04-20: 36<br>
2018-04-21: 36<br>
2018-04-22: 31<br>
2018-04-23: 32<br>
2018-04-24: 72<br>
2018-04-25: 76<br>
2018-04-26: 23<br>
2018-04-27: 10<br>
<br>
Current maximum: 76 emails received at 2018-04-25!?<br>
<br>
I'm not sure that it's still possible to read carefully all emails to<br>
python-dev and write constructive replies. It seems like people are<br>
answering immediately, without reading past emails nor reading other<br>
emails sent the same day.<br>
<br>
I'm also concerned by the general mood of the discussion. Are we still<br>
discussing arguments in polite way?<br>
<br>
How can we calm down the discussion, and ask people to don't reply<br>
immediately but instead try to listen to the other people?<br>
<br>
IHMO everybody had enough time to give their very important opinion (I<br>
wrote my own very important opinion, don't worry!) on python-ideas and<br>
then on python-dev. We are now turning around.<br>
<br>
Can we give Chris more time to update his PEP? In my experience, the<br>
PEP is the most constructive tool to drive a discussion.<br>
<br>
I chose to write to python-committers because I now fear that I would<br>
get too many replies on python-dev ...<br>
<br>
Victor<br>
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