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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 07/13/2018 03:30 PM, Barry Warsaw
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<pre wrap="">On Jul 13, 2018, at 15:11, Jack Jansen <a class="moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href="mailto:jack.jansen@cwi.nl"><jack.jansen@cwi.nl></a> wrote:
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How about a triumvirate (or trium*ate if “vir†is seen as too male-centric, and actually the “3†isn’t important either) where unanimity is required for language changes (i.e. basically for accepting a PEP)?
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Possibly, but even if unanimity can’t be achieved, I feel strongly that any decision coming from the GUIDO/Cabal/Council should be give as a single party. E.g. if Alice and Bob +1 PEP 801 and Carol -1’s it, I don’t think any purpose is served by breaking that out into individual votes. I would hope that the council members support each other and the body’s decision even if it doesn’t go an individual’s way.
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I disagree. My proposal for Python's Council Of Elders is partially
based on the Supreme Court Of The United States. For example,
SCOTUS judges are appointed for life, and I think PCOE members
should be too.<br>
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When SCOTUS renders a decision:<br>
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<li>the deliberation is held in private, but then<br>
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<li>the judges cast their votes,<br>
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<li>the "winning" side writes up the official decision, called
"the Court's opinion",</li>
<li>and any member may contribute their own individual opinion,
concurring <i>or</i> dissenting, and finally<br>
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<li>all votes and opinions contributed to the decision are made
public.<br>
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This seems like a sensible approach for the PCOE to me too. I
prefer more transparency in governance generally, and as a member of
the community governed by this body I'd prefer more rather than less
insight into the process and the thinking that went into the
decision. I don't think it's a requirement for the PCOE to present
as a unified front or to work in secret for them to be supportive of
each other and of the body's decision.<br>
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Sunlight, not darkness,<br>
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<i>/arry</i><br>
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