<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_quote">[Tim]</div><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">> But I'm not sure it's fully appreciated just how active Guido has been<br>
> in those at times. The "accepted/rejected" at the end of major PEPs is<br>
> just a small part of that. Along the way, e.g., it's been pretty common<br>
> to see a "Save your breath. That's not going to happen." from Guido to<br>
> end a distracting alternative (sub)proposal persistently promoted by one<br>
> (or a few) very active and/or loquacious posters.<br></blockquote><div><br>
<div dir="ltr" style="font-size:small;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial">[Antoine]</div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I think that only happens on python-ideas. We've long had a problem<br>
with that mailing-list (but at least it allows to avoid such discussions<br>
on python-dev).<br></blockquote><div><br>I'm unclear on whether you view that as opposing or confirming my point ;-) I view it as confirming: yes, the BDFL has played this role mostly on python-ideas, where the dirty work of developing general PEPs is intended to take place, while they're still at best half-baked. If someone only follows python-dev, they're unaware of most of these BDFL pronouncements.<br><br>The latter may think "oh, big deal - a PEP is posted to python-dev, and then Guido has weeks to make up his mind about whether to accept or reject it". They're only seeing the end of a sometimes very messy process. Most things on python-ideas never make it to python-dev at all.<br><br>PEP 572 was (IMO, and Guido's, and a whole bunch of others) posted to python-dev prematurely, so anyone who doesn't follow python-ideas should know that the firestorm on python-dev was just a hint of what python-ideas can be like routinely ;-) <br><br></div></div></div>