<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Is it necessary to put exact percentages here?<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think a BDFL-replacement should have the support of a large majority of the community. I would expect anyone who would be considered as BDFL in the first place would voluntarily step down once this is no longer the case. I don’t think it is necessary to clearly define what “large majority†means, nor what “community†means.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If the Python community ever gets to the level infighting of Borgia popes versus de Medici popes I think things have deteriorated to a level that it won’t make much difference anyways.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m not 100% convinced I like Barry’s idea of a formal Council as the board of the community, but on the other hand I don’t have a good alternative (except for the anarchist village shouting match, but that has serious issues).</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Jack<br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18-Jul-2018, at 23:04 , Åukasz Langa <<a href="mailto:lukasz@langa.pl" class="">lukasz@langa.pl</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">On Jul 18, 2018, at 1:23 PM, Alex Martelli <<a href="mailto:aleax@google.com" class="">aleax@google.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""><br class="">Since 1179 (and with a few very minor exceptions in the centuries right after then -- none since 1612), the Catholic Church requires a super-majority of 2/3 to elect a new Pope. I don't see how the choice of a BDFL is so much more important to the Python community, than the choice of a Pope is to the Catholic Church; thus, requiring 90% rather than "just" 2/3 seems unwarranted.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">This is a good point. Moreover, I'm sure Monty Python-wise it's only fitting for us to base our rules on a papal conclave.<br class=""><br class="">If we do, then it looks like 2/3 it is. However, historically cardinal participation rates were really high so I'd like to keep the 90% participation rule there.<br class=""><br class="">I do find it a bit problematic that a papal conclave doesn't vote "yes/no" but rather just places names for a predefined position using predefined rules.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">In fact, a 90% requirement gets dangerously close to a requirement for unanimity -- allowing any member of the Sejm to shout "Nie pozwalam!" and thus end the session and nullify every decision made in the session.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Oh, you know how to hit close to home! However, there's a big difference between one vote vetoing the ruling and ten (as there's 100+ GitHub committers now IIRC).<br class=""><br class="">But yeah, if the Vatican is fine with two thirds, it sounds like we could, too. By the way, if we're already studying Polish parliamentary rules, 2/3 agreement is needed to make constitution changes.<br class=""><br class="">- Å<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">python-committers mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:python-committers@python.org" class="">python-committers@python.org</a><br class="">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-committers<br class="">Code of Conduct: https://www.python.org/psf/codeofconduct/<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""><div class="">
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