<div dir="ltr"><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr">On Fri, 20 Jul 2018 at 15:36 Nathaniel Smith <<a href="mailto:njs@pobox.com">njs@pobox.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 08:58 Brett Cannon <<a href="mailto:brett@python.org" target="_blank">brett@python.org</a>> wrote:<br>
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> On Fri, Jul 20, 2018, 07:51 Nick Coghlan, <<a href="mailto:ncoghlan@gmail.com" target="_blank">ncoghlan@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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>> Guido was willing to do it for so long because Python was his<br>
>> creation, and he grew into the increasing demands of the BDFL role as<br>
>> time went by, but even he eventually reached the point of saying "I<br>
>> don't want to do this any more - the personal costs are outweighing<br>
>> the personal benefits". There's no way that a new individual in a<br>
>> comparable role to Guido's is going to have an easier time of it than<br>
>> Guido did, and a lot of good reasons to believe that they will find it<br>
>> significantly harder (not least of which is that Guido has been able<br>
>> to request 50% funded "BDFL-time" from his employers since he joined<br>
>> Google in 2005, and it's unlikely that a newcomer to the role would<br>
>> enjoy that benefit any time soon).<br>
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> While I'm purposefully staying out of this thread as my name is currently so strongly associated with it and I don't want people thinking I'm a megalomaniac, I will say that I see no reason why I wouldn't get 50% time at Microsoft if I asked for it (I already get a day/week plus email reading every day).<br>
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Is that only if you were named BDFL, or do you think they might also<br>
support that if you were named "Chief PEP Herder", or "Member of the<br>
steering council",or similar?<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>It isn't really title and more about workload/responsibility. So if the title changed to "Chief PEP herder" but it was still on my shoulders to have final say then I don't expect an issue as they would understand what that means to me and my time. If I'm one of three on a council then I might still get more time but I'm not as sure; it's definitely possible, but not as much of a sure thing. If the group was 10 then probably not because that means I am just one of about a quarter of all authors over the past year.<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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AFAICT Guido spent a lot of time behind the scenes moving PEPs along<br>
and generally keeping things organized. I think we might get a lot of<br>
value out of having more people with time to focus on these things,<br>
and it's not really limited to the BDFL. The Django project seems to<br>
benefit a lot from their fellows program [1], and in the recent grant<br>
the PSF got for PyPI, everyone was *very* happy that we spent money on<br>
a project manager [2]. (And at the risk of falling into megalomania<br>
myself, I've also written about this recently [3].)<br>
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So I don't have a specific proposal or anything, but maybe as part of<br>
this discussion we should be exploring ways to get more dedicated time on<br>
CPython, through company's donating time, or sponsoring people through<br>
the PSF, or whatever makes sense.<br></blockquote><div><br></div><div>I think that's a constant discussion to have which never really ends. People with more time to effectively contribute is always welcome. :)<br></div><div><br></div><div>-Brett<br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">
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[1] <a href="https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2016/dec/28/fellowship-2016-retrospective/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.djangoproject.com/weblog/2016/dec/28/fellowship-2016-retrospective/</a><br>
[2] <a href="https://twitter.com/EWDurbin/status/968180960066928640" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://twitter.com/EWDurbin/status/968180960066928640</a><br>
[3] <a href="https://vorpus.org/blog/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-investment-in-open-source-infrastructure/" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://vorpus.org/blog/the-unreasonable-effectiveness-of-investment-in-open-source-infrastructure/</a><br>
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