<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:38 AM, Donald Stufft <<a href="mailto:donald@stufft.io" class="">donald@stufft.io</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 3, 2018, at 12:20 AM, Tim Peters <<a href="mailto:tim.peters@gmail.com" class="">tim.peters@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">[Tim]<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Nevertheless, I probably won't vote - I object to public ballots on<br class="">principle. That's been raised by others, so I won't repeat the<br class="">arguments, and I appear to be very much in a minority here.<br class=""></blockquote></blockquote><br class="">[Eric Snow <<a href="mailto:ericsnowcurrently@gmail.com" class="">ericsnowcurrently@gmail.com</a>>]<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Would it help if we only published who voted, and kept their votes<br class="">private? Publishing the actual votes probably doesn't make a<br class="">big difference here, relative to the broader Python/tech community.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">That would probably be enough to convince me to vote, but I don't want<br class="">to hold things up either. If I'm the only one, why bother? It's not<br class="">like my vote will change the result ;-)<br class=""><br class="">BTW, the years I was on the PSF Board, I always wanted everyone to<br class="">know how we voted on everything. But I was elected to that position,<br class="">so was voting as a representative of those who elected me.<br class=""><br class="">But nobody has any more business knowing how I vote on a PEP than,<br class="">say, how I vote for the local mayor. That's between me and my<br class="">conscience. Your vote is between you and yours, and I want actively<br class="">_not_ to be able to see how others voted.<br class=""><br class="">Although I'm all in favor of making the PEP ballots public, if<br class="">stripped of personally identifying info.<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class=""></div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">FWIW I tend to agree with Tim on public vs private ballots, although unlike him I don’t feel strongly enough to abstain from voting on this one particular vote.</div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><br class=""></div><div style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class="">On a practical matter, keeping the ballots secret will rely on either having a trusted person to tally the election results or using some software that will do it for us. There is <a href="https://civs.cs.cornell.edu/" class="">https://civs.cs.cornell.edu</a> which we could use that does offer private ballots and offers making the ballots (with or without a name attached to them) public. It doesn’t support “pure” Condorcet but it should be easy enough to take the public but anonymous ballots and compute to determine if there was a condorcet winner or if one of the methods had to break a cycle, and if there wasn’t a condorcet winner, just re-run the election. Beyond that, I’m not sure what other options there are for anonymous ranked voting.</div></div></blockquote><br class=""></div><div>Oh, unfortunately this also doesn’t allow publishing *Who* voted without attaching them to a ballot, it’s either public, attached to the ballot, or private (if you’re not publishing the names, the system doesn’t even keep them, it just generates unique voter IDs for each).</div><div><br class=""></div><br class=""></body></html>