[Python-Dev] Re: [Python-checkins] python/dist/src/Python
bltinmodule.c, 2.292.10.1, 2.292.10.2
aleaxit at yahoo.com
Sun Oct 26 05:09:56 EST 2003
On Sunday 26 October 2003 04:26, Guido van Rossum wrote:
> > I'm just very sad that I didn't think of this performance-trap back
> > when the specs of sum were first being defined. Oh well:-(.
> Oh, but we all *did* think of it. For strings. :-)
Yeah, and your decision to forbid them (while my first prototype
tried forwarding to ''.join) simplified sum's implementation a lot.
Unfortunately we cannot easily distinguish numbers from
sequences in the general case, when user-coded classes are
in play; so we can't easily forbid sequences and allow numbers.
Exactly the same underlying reason as a bug I just opened on
SF: if x is an instance of a class X having __mul__ but not
__rmul__, 3*x works (just like x*3) but 3.0*x raises TypeError
(with a message that shows the problem -- x is being taken as
a sequence). When X is intended as a number class, this
asymmetry between multiplication and (e.g.) addition violates
the principle of least surprise.
> > Can I at least add
> > a warning about this performance trap to the docs at
> > http://www.python.org/doc/current/lib/built-in-funcs.html ?
> You know, I don't even think that I would consider using sum() if I
> wanted to concatenate a bunch of lists. Let's use sum() for numbers.
> Big deal.
Currently the docs say that sum is mostly meant for numbers. By
making that observation into a stronger warning, we can at least be
somewhat helpful to those few Python users who read the manuals;-).
If sum just couldn't be used for a list of lists it would indeed not be a
big problem. The problem is that it can, it's just (unexpectedly for the
naive user) dog-slow, just like a loop of += on a list of strings. And
people WILL and DO consider and try and practice _any_ use for a
language or library feature. The problem of the += loop on strings is
essentially solved by psyco, which has tricks to catch that and make
it almost as fast as ''.join; but psyco can't get into a built-in function
such as sum, and thus can't help us with the performance trap there.
As you've indicated that for 2.4 the risk of semantics changes to sum
in weird cases _can_ be at least considered (you're still opposed but
open to perhaps being convinced) I hope to get something for that
(with a copy.copy of the "accumulator" and in-place addition if that
succeeds, falling back to plain addition otherwise) and all the unit tests
needed to show it makes sense.
One common subtheme of this and other recent threads here and
on c.l.py is that, as we think of "accumulator functions" to consume
iterators, we should not ignore the mutating methods (typically
returning None) that are NOT appropriate for list comprehensions
just as they weren't for map and friends. A substantial minority of
intermediate Python users, knowing or feeling that loops coded in
Python aren't as fast as those that happen inside C-coded funcs
such as sum, those in itertools, etc, is NOT enthusiastic about
coding e.g. "for x in stuff: tot += x". Most often their performance
focus is of course inappropriate, but it's hard to uproot it.
So, in a typical example, we might have:
L = [ [x] for x in xrange(1000) ]
tot = 
for x in L: tot += x
return sum(L, )
tot = 
With the now-regressed fix, this gave:
[alex at lancelot bo]$ timeit.py -c -s'import d' 'd.aloop()'
1000 loops, best of 3: 640 usec per loop
[alex at lancelot bo]$ timeit.py -c -s'import d' 'd.asum()'
1000 loops, best of 3: 480 usec per loop
[alex at lancelot bo]$ timeit.py -c -s'import d' 'd.amap()'
1000 loops, best of 3: 790 usec per loop
so sum could be touted as "the only obvious solution" -- shortest,
neatest, fastest... IF it were indeed fast!-)
Unfortunately, with the sum change regressed, d.asum times to
8.4e+03 usec per loop, so it clearly cannot be considered any
more:-). So, there might be space for an accumulator function
patterned on map but [a] which stops on the shortest sequence
like zip and [b] does NOT build a list of results, meant to be called
a bit like map is in the 'amap' example above. itertools is a great
little collection of producers and manipulators of iterators, but the
"accumulator functions" might provide the "one obvious way" to
_consume_ iterators for common cases; and accumulating by
calling an accumulator-object's mutator method, such as
tot.extend above, on all items of an iterator, clearly is pretty common.
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