<html dir="ltr">
<head>
<meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=iso-8859-1">
<style id="owaParaStyle">P {
MARGIN-TOP: 0px; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 0px
}
</style>
</head>
<body fPStyle="1" ocsi="0">
<div style="direction: ltr;font-family: Tahoma;color: #000000;font-size: 10pt;">
<p>Thank you for your veto. Still, again for the sake of keeping track of things and such, there is this:
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_clock_time">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wall_clock_time</a> and also my original suggestion:
<a href="http://bugs.python.org/issue10278">http://bugs.python.org/issue10278</a></p>
<p> </p>
<p>In the end, the world shall be ruled by the nomenclaturists.</p>
<p> </p>
<p>K<br>
</p>
<div style="FONT-FAMILY: Times New Roman; COLOR: #000000; FONT-SIZE: 16px">
<hr tabindex="-1">
<div style="DIRECTION: ltr" id="divRpF597262"><font color="#000000" size="2" face="Tahoma"><b>Frá:</b> python-dev-bounces+kristjan=ccpgames.com@python.org [python-dev-bounces+kristjan=ccpgames.com@python.org] fyrir hönd Guido van Rossum [guido@python.org]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> 6. apríl 2012 15:42<br>
<b>To:</b> Paul Moore<br>
<b>Cc:</b> Python-Dev<br>
<b>Efni:</b> Re: [Python-Dev] this is why we shouldn't call it a "monotonic clock" (was: PEP 418 is too divisive and confusing and should be postponed)<br>
</font><br>
</div>
<div></div>
<div>
<p>I'd like to veto wall clock because to me that's the clock on my wall, i.e. local time. Otherwise I like the way this thread is going.</p>
<p>--Guido van Rossum (sent from Android phone)</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Apr 6, 2012 4:57 AM, "Paul Moore" <<a href="mailto:p.f.moore@gmail.com" target="_blank">p.f.moore@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution">
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div class="gmail_quote">On 6 April 2012 11:12, Steven D'Aprano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@pearwood.info" target="_blank">steve@pearwood.info</a>></span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<div>Glyph Lefkowitz wrote:<br>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
On Apr 5, 2012, at 8:07 PM, Zooko Wilcox-O'Hearn wrote:<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
<div>
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
<blockquote style="BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid; MARGIN: 0px 0px 0px 0.8ex; PADDING-LEFT: 1ex" class="gmail_quote">
2. Those who think that "monotonic clock" means a clock that never jumps,<br>
and that runs at a rate approximating the rate of real time. This is a<br>
very useful kind of clock to have! It is what C++ now calls a "steady<br>
clock". It is what all the major operating systems provide.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
All clocks run at a rate approximating the rate of real time. That is very<br>
close to the definition of the word "clock" in this context. All clocks<br>
have flaws in that approximation, and really those flaws are the whole<br>
point of access to distinct clock APIs. Different applications can cope<br>
with different flaws.<br>
</blockquote>
<br>
</div>
I think that this is incorrect.<br>
<br>
py> time.clock(); time.sleep(10); time.clock()<br>
0.41<br>
0.41<br>
</blockquote>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Blame Python's use of CPU time in clock() on Unix for that. On Windows:</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>>>> time.clock(); time.sleep(10); time.clock()</div>
<div>14.879754156329385</div>
<div>24.879591008462793</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>That''s a backward compatibility issue, though - I'd be arguing that time.clock() is the best name for "normally the right clock for interval, benchmark or timeout uses as long as you don't care about oddities like suspend" otherwise. Given that this name
is taken, I'd argue for time.wallclock. I'm not familiar enough with the terminology to know what to expect from terms like monotonic, steady, raw and the like.</div>
<div><br>
</div>
<div>Paul.</div>
</div>
<br>
<br>
_______________________________________________<br>
Python-Dev mailing list<br>
<a href="mailto:Python-Dev@python.org" target="_blank">Python-Dev@python.org</a><br>
<a href="http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev" target="_blank">http://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-dev</a><br>
Unsubscribe: <a href="http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/guido%40python.org" target="_blank">
http://mail.python.org/mailman/options/python-dev/guido%40python.org</a><br>
<br>
</blockquote>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</div>
</body>
</html>