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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">Hi Skip,<br>
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On 07.04.13 14:10, Skip Montanaro wrote:<br>
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<pre wrap="">I started writing this last night before the flurry of messages which
arrived overnight. I thought originally, "Oh, Skip, you're being too
harsh." But now I'm not so sure. I think you are approaching the
issue of 2.7's EOL incorrectly. Of those discussing the end of Python
2.7, how many of you still use it in your day-to-day work? Have any of
you yet to move to Python 3? It sounds like many people at PyCon are
still 2.x users.
Where I work (a trading firm that uses Python as just one of many
different pieces of technology, not a company where Python is the core
technology upon which the firm is based) we are only just now
migrating from 2.4 to 2.7. I can't imagine we'll have migrated to
Python 3 in two years. It's not like we haven't seen this coming, but
you can only justify moving so fast with technology that already
works, especially if, like Python, you use it with lots of other
packages (most/all of which themselves have to be ported to Python 3)
and in-house software.
I think the discussion should focus on who's left on 2.x and why, not,
"yeah, releases every six months for the next couple years ought to do
it."
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when I read this, I was slightly shocked. You know what?<br>
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<br>
I know that companies try to save (time? money?) something by not
upgrading<br>
software, and this is extremely annoying.<br>
<br>
In my own project, which is for a customer, I just managed to do
the complete transition<br>
from Python 2.7 to 3.3.<br>
Well, this was relatively simple because there is just my boss to
be convinced,<br>
and myself, because honestly the 3.3 support is still not as good
as needed.<br>
But I think every employee (including you) can quite easily put
some pressure<br>
on his company by claiming that Python 2.x is a dead end, and
everybody is<br>
about to move on to 3.x.<br>
This does not have to be true, I just recognize that by claiming
it and doing it<br>
with your projects, the movement becomes a reality. Just say that
we all need to<br>
move on and cannot care about companies that ignore this
necessity.<br>
<br>
I agree it is hard to push things forward, when certain tools are
just supporting<br>
2.x. My way to get over this is ranting, and porting some things,
and claiming<br>
it was a cake walk. A lie, but it helped.<br>
<br>
my 2.01 cent -- chris<br>
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