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The 9 gig initial download is not the only problem. Visual studio
is very bandwidth hungry in day to day operations (between polling
websites and vcs remotes, near constant updating, integration with
the VS web service, etc.). You can of course shut all of that off,
but it's a pain. It's my understanding from Steve's post that a
leaner, meaner edition of VS is in the works, so waiting for that
might just be an overall better solution.<br>
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On 2/27/2016 16:27, Franklin? Lee wrote:<br>
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<p dir="ltr">For this particular case, is there someone generous
enough (or, can someone apply for a PSF grant) to ship Mathieu a
DVD/two/flash drive?</p>
<div class="gmail_quote">On Feb 26, 2016 12:18 PM, "Mathieu Dupuy"
<<a moz-do-not-send="true" href="mailto:deronnax@gmail.com">deronnax@gmail.com</a>>
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.8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">Hi.<br>
I am currently working on adding some functionality on a
standard<br>
library module (<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="http://bugs.python.org/issue15873" rel="noreferrer"
target="_blank">http://bugs.python.org/issue15873</a>). The
Python part<br>
went fine, but now I have to do the C counterpart, and I have
ran into<br>
in several problems, which, stacked up, are a huge obstacle to
easily<br>
contribute further. Currently, despite I could work, I can't
go<br>
further<br>
on my patch.<br>
<br>
I am currently working in very limited network, CPU and time<br>
ressources* which are quite uncommon in the western world, but
are<br>
much less in the rest of the world. I have a 2GB/month mobile
data<br>
plan and a 100KB/s speed. For the C part of my patch, I should<br>
download Visual Studio. The Express Edition 2015 is roughly
9GB. I<br>
can't afford that.<br>
<br>
I downloaded Virtualbox and two Linux netinstall (Ubuntu 15.10
and<br>
Fedora 23). Shortly, I couldn't get something working quickly
and<br>
simply (quickly = less than 2 hours, downloading time NOT
included,<br>
which is anyway way too already much). What went wrong and why
it went<br>
wrong could be a whole new thread and is outside of the scope
of this<br>
message.<br>
Let me precise this : at my work I use many virtualbox
instances<br>
automatically fired and run in parallel to test new
deployments and<br>
run unittests. I like this tool,<br>
but despite its simple look, it (most of the time) can not be
used<br>
simply by a profane. The concepts it requires you to
understand are<br>
not intuitive at first sight and there is *always* a thing
that go<br>
wrong (guest additions, mostly).(for example : Ubuntu and
Virtualbox<br>
shipped for a moment a broken version of mount.vboxsf,
preventing<br>
sharing folder to mount. Despite it's fixed, the broken
releases<br>
spread everywhere and you may encounter them a lot in various
Ubuntu<br>
and Virtualbox version. I downloaded the last versions of both
and I<br>
am yet infected. <a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12879"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://www.virtualbox.org/ticket/12879</a>).
I could do<br>
whole new thread on why you can't ask newcomers to use
Virtualbox<br>
(currently, at least).<br>
<br>
I ran into is a whole patch set to make CPython compile on
MinGW<br>
(<a moz-do-not-send="true"
href="https://bugs.python.org/issue3871#msg199695"
rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">https://bugs.python.org/issue3871#msg199695</a>).
But it is not denying<br>
it's very experimental, and I know I would again spent useless
hours<br>
trying to get it work rather than joyfully improving Python,
and<br>
that's exactly what I do not want to happen.<br>
<br>
Getting ready to contribute to CPython pure python modules
from an<br>
standard, average mr-everyone Windows PC for a
beginner-to-medium<br>
contributor only require few megabytes of internet and few
minutes of his<br>
time: getting a tarball of CPython sources (or cloning the
github CPython<br>
mirror)**, a basic text editor and msys-git. The step further,
if doing<br>
some -even basic- C code is required, implies downloading 9GB
of Visual<br>
Studio and countless hours for it to be ready to use.<br>
I think downloading the whole Visual Studio suite is a huge
stopper to<br>
contribute further for an average medium-or-below-contributor.<br>
<br>
I think (and I must not be the only one since CPython is to be
moved<br>
to github), that barriers to contribute to CPython should be
set to<br>
the lowest.<br>
Of course my situation is a bit special but I think it
represents<br>
daily struggle of a *lot* of non-western programmer (at least
for<br>
limited internet)(even here in Australia, landline limited
internet<br>
connections are very common).<br>
It's not a big deal if the MinGW result build is twenty time
slower or<br>
if some of the most advanced modules can't be build. But
everyone<br>
programmer should be able to easily make some C hacks and get
them to<br>
work.<br>
<br>
Hoping you'll be receptive to my pleas,<br>
Cheers<br>
<br>
<br>
* I am currently picking fruits in the regional Australia. I
live in a van<br>
and have internet through with smartphone through an EDGE
connection. I can<br>
plug the laptop in the farm but not in the van.<br>
** No fresh programmer use mercurial unless he has a gun
pointed on his<br>
head.<br>
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