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On 09.07.2018 1:32, Larry Hastings wrote:<br>
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On 07/08/2018 10:05 AM, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-Dev wrote:<br>
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<p>I'll use this opportunity to remind you that 3.4 build is
broken -- it can't be built from start to installer with the
instructions given because of outside factors (CPython has
migrated from Hg to Git). <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://bugs.python.org/issue31623"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://bugs.python.org/issue31623</a>
about this was ignored (see <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext"
href="https://bugs.python.org/issue31623#msg303708"
moz-do-not-send="true">https://bugs.python.org/issue31623#msg303708</a>
for supplemental fixes).<br>
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<p>If this isn't something considered needing a fix, the claim
that 3.4 is supported in any shape and form is but a pretense
-- if something can't be built, it can't be used.<br>
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By "3.4 build is broken", you mean that building the installer is
broken on Windows. Sadly the maintainer of that installer is no
longer part of the Python community, and as a Linux-only dev I
have no way of testing any proposed change.<br>
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Not only that, building the binaries is also broken as per
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://bugs.python.org/issue31645">https://bugs.python.org/issue31645</a> (that's one of the aforementioned
"supplemental fixes").<br>
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cite="mid:2342a468-ee46-7b09-2522-d665f67850b0@hastings.org"> More
importantly, 3.4 is in security-fixes-only mode, which means that
changes that aren't security fixes won't be accepted. Fixing this
would not be a security fix. So even if the patch was clean and
well-reviewed and worked perfectly I'm simply not going to merge
it into 3.4. The 3.4 tree is only going to be in security-fixes
mode for another eight months anyway, after which I will retire as
3.4 release manager, and 3.4 will no longer be supported by the
Python core development community at all.<br>
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I kinda don't see a point of claiming any kind of support and doing
any work if the codebase is unusable. All that achieves is confused
users and wasted time for everyone involved.<br>
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If you "a Linux-only dev" and no-one is going to look at the Windows
part, why not just say clearly that this version line is not
supported outside Linux?<br>
I'm okay with that (what is and isn't supported is none of my
business). At least, there won't be a nasty surprise when I rely on
the team's claim that the code is workable, and it actually isn't --
and another one when I go for the trouble to provide a fix, and is
told that I'm a troublemaker and has just massively wasted my and
everybody else's time as a thanks.<br>
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Besides, that'll be a reason to officially close all still-open
tickets for 3.4/3.5 (there are about 2000 that are mentioning them)
regardless of the topic (I've checked that none are currently marked
as security issues).<br>
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cite="mid:2342a468-ee46-7b09-2522-d665f67850b0@hastings.org"> As
pointed out in that bpo issue: if the problem is entirely due to
switching from "git" to "hg", then you should have very little
difficulty working around that. You can use a git-to-hg bridge,
or create a local-only hg repo from the 3.4 tree. That should
permit you to build your own installers. I'm a little sad that
the 3.4 Windows installers no longer build directly out-of-tree
without such a workaround, but sometimes that's just what happens
with a Python release three major releases out of date languishing
in security-fixes-only mode.<br>
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<i>/arry</i><br>
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