<div dir="ltr"><div class="markdown-here-wrapper" style><p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important">On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 8:04 PM, Terry Reedy <<a href="mailto:tjreedy@udel.edu" target="_blank">tjreedy@udel.edu</a>> wrote:</p>
<p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important"></p><div class="markdown-here-exclude"><p></p><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);border-left-style:solid;padding-left:1ex">pep8, autopep8, and similar applications do not belong in the stdlib. They are easily installed with, for instance, 'pip install autopep8'.</blockquote><p></p></div><p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important"></p>
<p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important">I am not proposing putting <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code> in the standard library. I am proposing that an auto-styler be included with Python as a first-class utility. The emphasis here is on <em>included</em> and <em>first-class</em>.</p>
<p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important">That auto-styler may well be based somehow on <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code>, but that is a separate discussion about <em>implementation</em>. I am first checking that the <em>idea</em> is sound. I can’t tell if you had any objections to that idea. Yes, I know that today I can install and use <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code> as a third-party utility using <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">pip</code>, but <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code> today is neither included with Python nor a first-class utility.</p>
<p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important">(FWIW, couldn’t <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code> somehow be adapted to be an included module that can be invoked via <a href="https://www.python.org/dev/peps/pep-0338/"><code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">python -m</code></a> — e.g. <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">python -m compileall</code>, <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">python -m SimpleHTTPServer</code> — just as far as the mechanics are concerned? As I noted in my original post, I’m not in a position yet to specifically propose how an included auto-styler would work, but let’s say for argument’s sake that 1) we decided we liked the idea and 2) <code style="font-size:0.85em;font-family:Consolas,Inconsolata,Courier,monospace;margin:0px 0.15em;padding:0px 0.3em;white-space:pre-wrap;border:1px solid rgb(234,234,234);border-radius:3px;display:inline;background-color:rgb(248,248,248)">autopep8</code> fit the bill for promotion to an included utility, and 3) we addressed Andrew’s points.)</p>
<p style="margin:1.2em 0px!important">Nick</p>
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