<p dir="ltr">I find email list VASTLY easier to deal with than any newfangled web-based custom discussion forum. Part of that is that it is a uniform interface to every list I belong too, and I can choose my own MUA. With all those web things, every site works a little bit different from every other one, that imposes an unnecessary cognitive burden (and usually simply lacks some desired capability)</p>
<div class="gmail_extra"><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Aug 13, 2016 11:39 AM, "Donald Stufft" <<a href="mailto:donald@stufft.io">donald@stufft.io</a>> wrote:<br type="attribution"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><br>
> On Aug 13, 2016, at 2:21 PM, Oleg Broytman <<a href="mailto:phd@phdru.name">phd@phdru.name</a>> wrote:<br>
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>><br>
>> As Donald pointed out, there are people who are not going to create<br>
>> custom email processing toolchains.<br>
><br>
> In what way they will be helpful to the development of Python?<br>
> Contributors have to install, learn, configure and use a lot of<br>
> development tools, comparing to which email tools are just toys.<br>
<br>
<br>
Well, I personally generally do not have the time to sit there and craft<br>
some sort of complex email toolchain to deal with it. I just leave lists<br>
if their volume are too high for me to deal with or they don’t provide me<br>
the tools to interact with them in a non frustrating way. For example, I’m<br>
no longer subscribed to python-dev because of these reasons. I *think* I’ve<br>
positively impacted the development of Python, but maybe not! In any case<br>
I think that falling down the trap of thinking that anyone who is willing<br>
to contribute to Python is also willing to maintain a personal toolchain<br>
for dealing with the deficiencies in mailing lists is not a place we should<br>
be in.<br>
<br>
That’s not to say that a traditional mailing list may not represent the best<br>
trade off— I have my opinion, you have yours, but we should not start thinking<br>
that adding an obstacle course that a user must complete before they can<br>
meaningfully contribute is doing anything but self selecting for people willing<br>
to run that particular obstacle course, not selecting for skill or likely<br>
impact.<br>
<br>
—<br>
Donald Stufft<br>
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