<div dir="ltr">Hi,<div><br></div><div>After some reflexion on this full thread, with  all your arguments and discussion with my team, i have finally a better understanding on PEP finality. I saw that PEP 8 & 20 i used as example are "specials" PEP.</div><div><br></div><div>So i let my idea here, and eventually, as previously suggested, i'll contact PYCQA.</div><div><br></div><div>Thank you very much everybody for your help and your attention :)</div><div><br>Le mardi 26 septembre 2017 04:54:45 UTC+2, Nick Coghlan a écrit :<blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin: 0;margin-left: 0.8ex;border-left: 1px #ccc solid;padding-left: 1ex;">Forwarding my reply, since Google Groups still can't get the Reply-To

<br>headers for the mailing list right, and we still don't know how to

categorically prohibit posting from there.

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<br>Date: 26 September 2017 at 12:51

<br>Subject: Re: [Python-ideas] Fwd: A PEP to define basical metric which

<br>allows to guarantee minimal code quality

<br>To: Alexandre GALODE <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="PAwLilQrBQAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">alexandr...@gmail.com</a>>

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<br>

<br>On 25 September 2017 at 21:49,  <<a href="javascript:" target="_blank" gdf-obfuscated-mailto="PAwLilQrBQAJ" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='javascript:';return true;" onclick="this.href='javascript:';return true;">alexandr...@gmail.com</a>> wrote:

<br>> Hi,

<br>>

> Sorry from being late, i was in professional trip to Pycon FR.

<br>>

> I see that the subject is divising advises.

<br>>

<br>> Reading responses, i have impression that my proposal has been saw as

<br>> mandatory, that i don't want of course. As previously said, i see this "PEP"

<br>> as an informational PEP. So it's a guideline, not a mandatory. Each

<br>> developer will have right to ignore it, as each developer can choose to

<br>> ignore PEP8 or PEP20.

<br>>

<br>> Perfect solution does not exist, i know it, but i think this "PEP" could,

> partially, be a good guideline.

<br>

<br>Your question is essentially "Are python-dev prepared to offer generic

<br>code quality assessment advice to Python developers?"

<br>

<br>The answer is "No, we're not". It's not our role, and it's not a role

<br>we're the least bit interested in taking on. Just because we're the

<br>ones making the software equivalent of hammers and saws doesn't mean

<br>we're also the ones that should be drafting or signing off on people's

<br>building codes :)

<br>

<br>Python's use cases are too broad, and what's appropriate for my ad hoc

<br>script to download desktop wallpaper backgrounds, isn't going to be

<br>what's appropriate for writing an Ansible module, which in turn isn't

<br>going to be the same as what's appropriate for writing a highly

scalable web service or a complex data analysis job.

<br>

<br>So the question of "What does 'good enough for my purposes' actually

<br>mean?" is something for end users to tackle for themselves, either

<br>individually or collaboratively, without seeking specific language

designer endorsement of their chosen criteria.

<br>

<br>However, as mentioned earlier in the thread, it would be *entirely*

<br>appropriate for the folks participating in PyCQA to decide to either

<br>take on this work themselves, or else endorse somebody else taking it

<br>on. I'd see such an effort as being similar to the way that

<br><a href="http://packaging.python.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpackaging.python.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEKDbYHkW1y-PhyuTqW5r0hlnPafQ';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpackaging.python.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEKDbYHkW1y-PhyuTqW5r0hlnPafQ';return true;">packaging.python.org</a> originally started as an independent PyPA project

<br>hosted at <a href="http://python-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.io" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpython-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEz8Hi7I3urX798-Yp6z8Gus3Y9Rg';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpython-packaging-user-guide.readthedocs.io\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNEz8Hi7I3urX798-Yp6z8Gus3Y9Rg';return true;">python-packaging-user-guide.<wbr>readthedocs.io</a>, with a fair bit

<br>of content already being added before we later requested and received

the <a href="http://python.org" target="_blank" rel="nofollow" onmousedown="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpython.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNF558DEk4MojQmCDwPIrITw2rjEQA';return true;" onclick="this.href='http://www.google.com/url?q\x3dhttp%3A%2F%2Fpython.org\x26sa\x3dD\x26sntz\x3d1\x26usg\x3dAFQjCNF558DEk4MojQmCDwPIrITw2rjEQA';return true;">python.org</a> subdomain.

<br>

<br>Cheers,

Nick.

<br>

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