<div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 6:12 PM, Guido van Rossum </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:guido@python.org" target="_blank">guido@python.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Sorry about your frustration. I should not have given you hope about PEP 555 -- it was never going to make it, so I should just have spared you the effort. Do you want to withdraw it or do I have to actually reject it?<br></div><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">That's definitely not the reason for the frustration. You already told me earlier that you did not really like it. I think I know why you didn't, but we now have more reasons than we had then. We're definitely in a different place from where we started. <br></div></div><div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">And I still succeeded in the most important thing that needed to be done. The only thing is that, at least for now, nobody *really* needed the awesome, clean, flexible and super performant solution that I had to come up with to solve a wide class of problems which I thought many people would actually have.</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">But that's not where the frustration came from either. </div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">I'll finish the PEP for archiving, and for throwing it on the pile of other PEPs that have tried to tackle these issues. </div></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">-- Koos</div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><br></div><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:monospace,monospace">P.S. Of course this discussion really does not belong here, but at least the time_ns discussion is now on python-dev anyway.</div><div><br></div><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350HOEnZb"><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350h5"><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote">On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 1:56 AM, Koos Zevenhoven <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:k7hoven@gmail.com" target="_blank">k7hoven@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr"><span><div style="font-family:monospace,monospace"><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif">On Mon, Oct 16, 2017 at 2:44 AM, Guido van Rossum </span><span dir="ltr" style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"><<a href="mailto:guido@python.org" target="_blank">guido@python.org</a>></span><span style="font-family:arial,sans-serif"> wrote:</span><br></div></span><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Sorry, that's an in-joke. Koos is expressing his disappointment in the rejection of PEP 555 in a way that's only obvious if you're Dutch.<br></div><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350m_8187660576696938966m_-3586074044137771971gmail-h5"><br></div></div></div></blockquote><div><br></div></span><div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">Hmm, or more accurately, it has to do with me going crazy because of the frustration of how the PEP 555 discussions went. We could have arrived at the same conclusion [*] in much less time and with less pulling one's hair out.</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">But this discrepancy probably comes from the fact that we're not dealing with the most pure kind of being Dutch here.</font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">—Koos</font></div></div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif"><br></font></div><div><div><font face="arial, helvetica, sans-serif">[*] Although right now different people still have slightly different ideas about what that conclusion is. </font></div><br></div><div><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350m_8187660576696938966h5"><div> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class="gmail_extra"><div><div class="gmail-m_2189292483260189350m_8187660576696938966m_-3586074044137771971gmail-h5"><div class="gmail_quote">On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 3:16 PM, Steven D'Aprano <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:steve@pearwood.info" target="_blank">steve@pearwood.info</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><span>On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 08:04:25PM +0300, Koos Zevenhoven wrote:<br>
> On Sun, Oct 15, 2017 at 6:58 PM, Guido van Rossum <<a href="mailto:guido@python.org" target="_blank">guido@python.org</a>> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > I'd like to have time.time_ns() -- this is most parallel to st_mtime_ns.<br>
> ><br>
> > <br>
> Welcome to the list Guido! You sound like a C programmer. For many people,<br>
> that was the best language they knew of when they learned to program. But<br>
> have you ever tried Python? You should give it a try!<br>
<br>
</span>You seem to be making a joke, but I have *no idea* what the joke is.<br>
<br>
Are you making fun of Guido's choice of preferred name? "time_ns"<br>
instead of "time_nanoseconds" perhaps?<br>
<br>
Other than that, I cannot imagine what the joke is about. Sorry for<br>
being so slow.<br>
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