<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I not a user of distutils or setuptools but some googling seems to say that<div class="">the build command has a --debug to do what you want. If that does not</div><div class="">work it would seem like you could ask the setuptools maintainers how to</div><div class="">do the reason thing of a debug build.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Barry</div><div class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 9 Jan 2018, at 18:46, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-ideas <<a href="mailto:python-ideas@python.org" class="">python-ideas@python.org</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><p style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On 09.01.2018 21:35, Ivan Pozdeev via Python-ideas wrote:<br class=""></p><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:10ff9787-8656-d973-3edd-6b13d1b6e659@mail.mipt.ru" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">On 08.01.2018 0:11, Steve Dower wrote:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:20180107211111.B73001200A1@relay2.telecom.mipt.ru" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">It’s not a good idea. You end up with two different C runtimes in memory that cannot communicate, and many things will not work properly.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">If you compile your debug build extension with the non-debug CRT (/MD rather than /MDd) you will lose asserts, but otherwise it will work fine and the quoted code picks the release lib.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div></div></blockquote>Distutils' designers seem to have thought differently.<br class="">Whether the extension is linked against pythonxx_d.lib is governed by the --debug switch to the `build' command rather than the type of the running Python. Compiler optimization flags and /MD(d) are inserted according to it, too.<br class=""><br class="">As a consequence,<br class="">* I cannot install an extension into debug Python at all 'cuz `bdist_*' and `install' commands don't support --debug and invoke `debug' internally without it.<br class=""></blockquote><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">I meant "invoke `build' internally without it." , sorry.</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><span style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255); float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">This kafkaesque "you cannot do this because you cannot do this" is taking its toll on me...</span><br style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:10ff9787-8656-d973-3edd-6b13d1b6e659@mail.mipt.ru" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; background-color: rgb(255, 255, 255);" class="">* Neither can I compile an extension for release Python without optimizations.<br class=""><br class="">I'm at a loss here. Either I'm missing something, or with the current build system, it's impossible to debug extensions!<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:20180107211111.B73001200A1@relay2.telecom.mipt.ru" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">Or if you like, when you install Python 3.5 or later there are advanced options to install debug symbols and binaries. You can use a proper debug build against the debug binaries (python_d.exe).<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">Cheers,<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span lang="EN-AU" class="">Steve</span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Top-posted from my Windows phone</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="border-style: solid none none; border-top-width: 1pt; border-top-color: rgb(225, 225, 225); padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=""><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; border: none; padding: 0in;" class=""><b class="">From:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:python-ideas@python.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">Ivan Pozdeev via Python-ideas</a><br class=""><b class="">Sent:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>Saturday, December 30, 2017 13:01<br class=""><b class="">To:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b><a href="mailto:python-ideas@python.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;" class="">python-ideas@python.org</a><br class=""><b class="">Subject:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>[Python-ideas] Allow to compile debug extension against releasePython in Windows</div></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">The Windows version of pyconfig.h has the following construct:</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>if defined(_DEBUG)</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>pragma comment(lib,"python37_d.lib")</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>elif defined(Py_LIMITED_API)</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>pragma comment(lib,"python3.lib")</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>else</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>pragma comment(lib,"python37.lib")</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>endif /* _DEBUG */</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">which fails the compilation of a debug version of an extension. Making</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">debugging it... difficult.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Perhaps we could define some other constant?</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">I'm not sure whether such compilation is a good idea in general, so</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">asking here at first.</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">--</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Regards,</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Ivan</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">_______________________________________________</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Python-ideas mailing list</div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:Python-ideas@python.org" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">Python-ideas@python.org</a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">https://mail.python.org/mailman/listinfo/python-ideas</a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">Code of Conduct:<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/" moz-do-not-send="true" style="color: rgb(149, 79, 114); text-decoration: underline;">http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/</a></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></div></div></blockquote><br class=""><pre class="moz-signature" cols="72">--
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