<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=us-ascii"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><br class=""><div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On 18 Mar 2018, at 11:58, George Fischhof <<a href="mailto:george@fischhof.hu" class="">george@fischhof.hu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class="">Hi Folks,<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">it seems for me that the welcoming of this proposal is rather positive than not.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>I think that is up for debate.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Of course several details could be put into it, but I think it would better to let the developers decide the details, because they know the environment and the possibilities.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>You mean you have no intention of doing the implementation?</div><div>If not you who is willing to the go the, not inconsiderable, work.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The name of the functions and the method they solve the problem (for example rmdir(tree=True9 instead of removedirs()) is all the same.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>But it is not the same. os.removedirs only removes dirs, where as shutil.rmdir will remove files and dirs.</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The (main) goal would be that file and directory operations reside in one module.</div></div></div></blockquote><div><br class=""></div><div>As I said earlier the question is should that module be pathlib?</div><div>There are good arguments on both side.</div><div><br class=""></div><div>Barry</div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class=""> And currently the pathlib seems to be the best candidate.</div><div class="">(we could put then into a very new module, but it would be just another duplicataion)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So what do You think, this proposal IS PEPable or should I do something with this to achieve the PEPable state?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">BR,</div><div class="">George</div></div><div class="gmail_extra"><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote">2018-03-18 9:05 GMT+01:00 Nick Coghlan <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:ncoghlan@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">ncoghlan@gmail.com</a>></span>:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_extra"><div class="gmail_quote"><span class="">On 16 March 2018 at 03:15, Chris Angelico <span dir="ltr" class=""><<a href="mailto:rosuav@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">rosuav@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br class=""><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><span class="">On Fri, Mar 16, 2018 at 12:38 AM, George Fischhof <<a href="mailto:george@fischhof.hu" target="_blank" class="">george@fischhof.hu</a>> wrote:<br class="">
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><br class="">
> " if new file functions are added, they will go only in pathlib,<br class="">
> which makes pathlib effectively mandatory;"<br class="">
> Yes but I think this part of the evolution: slowly everyone will shift to<br class="">
> pathlib,<br class="">
> and being mandatory is true for the current status as well: if you need a<br class="">
> function, you need the module.<br class="">
> Right now if you wan to execute some file operations, you need os plus<br class="">
> shutil, because the half of the<br class="">
> functions are in one of them, the other half is in the other module<br class="">
<br class="">
</span>The os module is cheap; pathlib has a definite cost. If every file<br class="">
operation goes through pathlib</blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div></span><div class="">Keep in mind that the `os` layer will never go away: `pathlib` still needs a lower level API to call to *do the work* of actually interacting with the underlying operating system APIs (e.g. this is why we added os.scandir).<br class=""><br class="">A similar situation applies when it comes to glob, fnmatch, etc.<br class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Even `shutil` will likely retain its place as a lower level procedural API behind pathlib's object-oriented facade, since raw strings are still frequently going to be easier to work with when mixing and matching Python code and native operating system shell code.<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Cheers,<br class=""></div><div class="">Nick.<span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><br clear="all" class=""></font></span></div></div><span class="HOEnZb"><font color="#888888" class=""><br class="">-- <br class=""><div class="m_2787215696884964724gmail_signature" data-smartmail="gmail_signature">Nick Coghlan | <a href="mailto:ncoghlan@gmail.com" target="_blank" class="">ncoghlan@gmail.com</a> | Brisbane, Australia</div>
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