<br><br>On Saturday, September 15, 2018, Franklin? Lee <<a href="mailto:leewangzhong%2Bpython@gmail.com">leewangzhong+python@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex">I am very disappointed with the responses to this thread. We have<br>
mockery, dismissiveness, and even insinuations about OP's<br>
psychological health. Whether or not OP is a troll, and whether or not<br>
OP's idea has merit, that kind of response is unnecessary and<br>
unhelpful.<br>
<br>
(While I lean toward OP being a troll, the fact that the OP's name is<br>
the same as a Canadian actress is insignificant. Chinese surnames are<br>
single-syllable, there are only so many one-syllable surnames, and<br>
"Samantha" is a common-enough name.)<br>
<br>
Since Antoine challenged Calvin to name names, I will name names. If<br>
the thread devolves into one-on-one fights, then you'll know why<br>
Calvin didn't do it.<br>
<br>
Antoine:<br>
- Accusing the OP of not being open-minded for proposing (not<br>
"insisting on"!) the idea at all.<br>
"You ask others to be open-minded, but fail to show such an<br>
attitude yourself."<br>
- Labeling the OP's position as reactionary, and intolerant.<br>
"And, as a French person, I have to notice this is yet another<br>
attempt to impose reactionary, intolerant American politics on the<br>
rest of the world (or of the Python community)."<br>
<br>
David Mertz: Sarcastically suggesting that we burn programming books<br>
if they use "beautiful" in their titles.<br>
<br>
Chris Angelico: This implied accusation:<br>
"Not everyone assumes the worst about words."<br>
<br>
Oleg:<br>
- Dismissing the whole post as a troll.*<br>
"Nice trolling, go on! :-D"<br>
- Calling the OP's idea stupid, and calling a different (settled)<br>
decision stupid. (One can argue Oleg isn't really calling anything<br>
stupid, but I preemptively say that's a stupid argument.)<br>
"Removing master/slave is almost as stupid as ugly/beautiful."<br>
- Dismissing the stance as oversensitive offense-taking.<br>
"People shouldn't try and take personal offense to things that<br>
haven't been applied to them personally, or, even worse, complain<br>
about a term applied to anything/anyone else in a way they perceive to<br>
be offensive."<br>
- Mockery: The entire email with this line is spent on mockery:<br>
'I also propose to ban the following technical terms that carry<br>
dark meanings: "abort", "kill" and "execute" (stop the genocide!) ...'<br>
<br>
Greg: Another email spent entirely on mockery:<br>
"""If we're going to object to "slave", we should object to<br>
"robot" as well, since it's derived from a Czech word meaning "forced<br>
worker"."""<br>
<br>
* There is a difference between discussing whether it is a troll post<br>
and flippantly stating it as fact. The first brings up a relevant<br>
concern. The second says, "No one can reasonably believe what you<br>
claim to believe, so I won't treat you as a rational person."<br>
<br>
Jacco:<br>
- This is completely disrespectful and way over the line. Don't try to<br>
make a psychological evaluation from two emails, especially when it's<br>
just someone having an idea you don't like.<br>
"""However, if merely the word ugly being on a page can be<br>
"harmful", what you really need is professional help, not a change to<br>
Python. Because there's obviously been some things in your past you<br>
need to work through."""<br>
- Mockery.<br>
"""If we have to ban "Ugly" for american sensitivities, then<br>
perhaps we need to ban a number of others for china's sensitivities.<br>
Where will it end ?"""<br>
<br>
There are people making serious arguments against the idea, including<br>
the people above. But those arguments could have been made without the<br>
above examples. The above quotes don't treat the OP or the OP's ideas<br>
as worthy of a serious and mature response.<br>
<br>
<br>
P.S.: I read Poe's Law not as a warning against falling for trolls,<br>
but as a warning about confirmation bias. If I keep falling for poes<br>
of group G, it's probably because I'm too far too willing to believe<br>
negative things about G, and don't care to understand them.</blockquote><div><br></div><div><div>It may be most relevant to interpret the poem as it is: culled from various writings of the community.</div><div><br></div><div>What do we need to remember? Our criticism can hurt fragile feelings and egos; which we need to check at the door.</div><div><br></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesthetics</a></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_dysmorphic_disorder</a></div><div><a href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compensation">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compensation</a> (time spent disambiguating)</div><div><br></div><div>Python is primarily an online community; where words are our appearance.</div><div><br></div><div>"Most reasonable people would understand that" we're *clearly* talking about engineering design aesthetic.</div><div><br></div><div>Not body dysmorphia.</div><div>Objectively,</div><div>Compared to C,</div><div>Python is fat and slow.</div><div>It's not fast, but it's pretty,</div><div>and that's all it has going for it,</div><div>In this crazy world.</div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Mean losers,</div><div>T-shirts.</div></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div><br></div><div>Code of Conduct: <a href="http://python.org/psf/codeofconduct/" target="_blank">http://python.org/psf/<wbr>codeofconduct/</a></div>